Has the day of Worship changed at all?

We are not under the old covenant...

Colossians 2:

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

We are not under the old covenant...

Colossians 2:

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

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No one has suggested we are under the old covenant.

The old covenant has nothing to do with the keeping of the Sabbath nor does the new one.

God wrote the commandments in stone. The very fact they were written in stone is very important.

It shows they are to last forever.

Colossians 2 does not say to worship on the first day of the week.

Where is the command in the New Testament that says we are to worship on the 1st day of the week, where does it say that God made that day holy, where does it say that the 1st day has been set aside to remember the resurrection?

It does not. And that is exactly the point. There is no longer a "day of worship." As it says, the reality is in Christ. We must worship Him in spirit and in truth. I will agree that the Sabbath day has not magically changed, but the Ten Commandments are the Old Covenant. 9 of them were still important enough to have been restated as part of the New Covenant. And while the day may not have changed, we are no longer under it.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

It does not. And that is exactly the point. There is no longer a "day of worship." As it says, the reality is in Christ. We must worship Him in spirit and in truth. I will agree that the Sabbath day has not magically changed, but the Ten Commandments are the Old Covenant. 9 of them were still important enough to have been restated as part of the New Covenant. And while the day may not have changed, we are no longer under it.

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You now want to keep nine of the commandments under the old covenant and the only commandment we are told to "Remember" you want to forget.

Is that sound reasoning?

Forget the one we are told to "Remember"

But you go onto to make a conclusion that is at odds against what you say earlier.

And while the day may not have changed, we are no longer under it

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You now admit the day may not have changed. Then if the day has not changed then why not keep it?

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mark 16:2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Mark 16:9 Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning °, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when, it was yet dark, unto, the sepulchre, and, seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. .

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings ° when I come.

Look at any of the above texts and see if there is enough evidence for changing the day of worship from the 7th day to the 1st day of the week.

Now I have wrote down some Sabbath texts. After reading them would there be enough evidence to do away the the keeping of the 7th day of the week as the Sabbath. There are heaps more I could use.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Mark 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that
they might accuse him.

Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.

Mark 6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands?

Mark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Mark 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Here are some Sabbath texts apart from what is written in the Gospels.

Do any of these suggest that the 7th day Sabbath has been done away with?

Acts 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Acts 13:27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read ° every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Acts 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Acts 16:13 And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither.

Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and ° three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue ° every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks

It is obvious the Sabbath is Saturday, I never said otherwise. But under the New Covenant we are no longer under the Sabbath. If we are still under it, then the Bible contradicts itself and cannot be trusted in the first place.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

It is obvious the Sabbath is Saturday, I never said otherwise. But under the New Covenant we are no longer under the Sabbath. If we are still under it, then the Bible contradicts itself and cannot be trusted in the first place.

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The New Covenant and the Sabbath have nothing to do with each other.

If they do then show me how they do.

Then what are we talking about?

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

Then what are we talking about?

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I maintain the day of worship which is the 7th day Sabbath has never been changed.

It has nothing to do with the new covenant.

For Adam to be saved he would have needed to experience the new covenant.

Salvation before the cross was different to Salvation after the cross. That is what the new covenant is about. Allowing Christ to come into your heart and not want to be saved by what you can do. That is the old covenant.

Sabbath does not come into covenants at all.

Then why does Paul very clearly state that as part of Christianity, Saabaths and holidays mean nothing? The Ten Commandments are Old Covenant, and we are free from the Sabbath. Paul was a devout Jew, and even he agrees!

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

Then why does Paul very clearly state that as part of Christianity, Saabaths and holidays mean nothing? The Ten Commandments are Old Covenant, and we are free from the Sabbath. Paul was a devout Jew, and even he agrees!

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It was not the weekly Sabbath that Paul was talking about but the special and yearly sabbaths.

Colossains 2:

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Well, new moon celebrations aren't yearly, religious festivals aren't always either. There is nothing to indicate that this is a once a year Sabbath. He clearly says A Sabbath day (as in any Sabbath day, at any time, of any faith)

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

Colossains 2:

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Well, new moon celebrations aren't yearly, religious festivals aren't always either. There is nothing to indicate that this is a once a year Sabbath. He clearly says A Sabbath day (as in any Sabbath day, at any time, of any faith)

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Don't you believe it.

God was very certain about the days that they worshiped on.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" (KJV)

It is said in a different way to the NIV.

This text has nothing to do with the 7th day Sabbath. This is a text looking at various problems that Paul was having to contend with.

The context of all the other problems can only be about the same things, that is meat, drink, etc.

This was not a Sabbath issue.

Paul continued to preach on the Sabbath after this so he thought we still should be keeping the Sabbath.

Hi Ronba

The Burden of proof is on you to show where in the NT Paul clarifies that when he is speaking against days he is not talking about the saturday Sabbath also.

Yours in Christ
deu58

RonBa said:

Don't you believe it.

God was very certain about the days that they worshiped on.

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days" (KJV)

It is said in a different way to the NIV.

This text has nothing to do with the 7th day Sabbath. This is a text looking at various problems that Paul was having to contend with.

The context of all the other problems can only be about the same things, that is meat, drink, etc.

This was not a Sabbath issue.

Paul continued to preach on the Sabbath after this so he thought we still should be keeping the Sabbath.

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See, even the KJV says days, plural. And you are right, it isn't a Sabbath issue. It's not even a food or drink issue. It was a group of legalists who believed that salvation could only be achieved via the Law, which Christ set us free from. And of course he preached on the Sabbath. That is usually a good time to catch a crowd of Jews

RonBa said:

"It was a group of legalists who believed that salvation could only be achieved via the Law"

That is what this text is really all about.

Salvation by works, and Paul was addressing this issue with them.

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Indeed. And so we are free from such laws.

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

Indeed. And so we are free from such laws.

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We are only free from working our way to heaven.

The law was never done away with with, that is the law of the ten commandments.

RonBa said:

We are only free from working our way to heaven.

The law was never done away with with, that is the law of the ten commandments.

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And what do you hope to gain by following these laws, may I ask, if we are already going to heaven?

Bizzlebin Imperatoris said:

And what do you hope to gain by following these laws, may I ask, if we are already going to heaven?

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Jesus said

"If ye love me, keep my commandments"

That is a good enough reason to obey.