Has the Age of the Gentiles come to an end?

[shilohsfoal]

Jesus said (as recorded by Luke in that chapter) This isn't about salvation:

Luke 21:32 ~ "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.​

I didn't say it had anything to do with salvation.
I was talking about the two witnesses occupying Jerusalem.(the time of the gentiles)
BABerean2 is quoting scripture about salvation.

Perhaps you should tell him that. He doesn't listen to me.

 

[claninja]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;​

I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?

Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”

Times of the Gentiles to trample Jerusalem = 42 months according to revelation:

Luke 21:24 They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2 but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the Gentiles, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months.

Therefore you need to ask yourself, is the 42 months literal or symbolic?

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I would argue Romans 11:25 is about a completely different topic:

Romans 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers:d a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Romans 11:25, IMHO, is in regards to a promise that was given by Jacob to Ephraim.

Genesis 48:19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great. Nevertheless, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a fullness of Gentiles.

So let's look at what happened to the descendants of the tribe of Ephraim (northern kingdom):

1.) they were divorced from the old covenent

Jeremiah 3:8 She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce. Yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but she too went and played the harlot.

2.) they were no longer God's people because of
disobedience

Hosea 1:4-8 And the LORD said to him, “Call his name Jezreel, for in just a little while I will punish the house of Jehu for the blood of Jezreel, and I will put an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel. And on that day I will break the bow of Israel in the Valley of Jezreel.” She conceived again and bore a daughter. And the LORD said to him, “Call her name No Mercy,a for I will no more have mercy on the house of Israel, to forgive them at all. But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and I will save them by the LORD their God. I will not save them by bow or by sword or by war or by horses or by horsemen.”When she had weaned No Mercy, she conceived and bore a son. And the LORD said, “Call his name Not My People,b for you are not my people, and I am not your God.



3.) However, God promised one day they would again be His people along with those of the southern kingdom under one head.

Hosea 1:10-11 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be like the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured or numbered. And in the place where it was said to them, “You are not my people,” it shall be said to them, “Childrene of the living God.” And the children of Judah and the children of Israel shall be gathered together, and they shall appoint for themselves one head. And they shall go up from the land, for great shall be the day of Jezreel.

So what do we see? We see those of the northern kingdom becoming as Gentiles because of their disobedience and their divorce from God and scattering across the nations via Assyria. Ephraim did become a multitude of Gentiles. However, God did promise that one day, their descendants would again be His people with those of the southern kingdom under one head (Hosea 1:10-11).

1.) Paul has this fulfilled (hosea 1:10) with the Gentiles coming together with the Jews under Christ:

R0mans 9:23-26 In order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea, “Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”“And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people, there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”


Therefore, ALL Israel is saved, because God fulfilled/fulfills His promises to the descendants of the divorced northern kingdom, by including the Gentiles into the new covenant with those of the southern kingdom of Christ.

I would argue this is a separate issue than the Gentiles trampling Jerusalem for 42 months.

 

[sovereigngrace]

The Jews were conquered by the Romans in 70 AD. Some of them were enslaved and used by the Romans for public works projects. Various other groups conquered Israel including the Muslims. In WW I Britain took Israel from the Turks. They allowed some Jewish immigration. In 1948 the Jews took Israel from the British. In 1950 the Jews allowed Jews to immigrate to Israel. Gentiles no longer control the place.

They do not possess the old Promised Land. They have not come back in biblical obedience. This is all Dispy propaganda.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Jesus said (as recorded by Luke in that chapter) This isn't about salvation:

Luke 21:32 ~ "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.​

PS,
If you believe Jesus was talking about the first century, what date do you believe the heavens and earth passed away?

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

Or if you don't know that date then do you know the date Jesus came and raised the dead?

Luke 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

 

[fwGod]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;​

I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?

The age of the gentiles trampling down Jerusalem Israel will continue on since it's beginning at the Babylonian captivity until the Second Coming of Jesus that brings in the Messianic Millennium. That is all depicted in Nebuchadnezzar's dream recorded in Daniel. Those events are also called 'the day of the Lord' which, according to the apostle Peter, also includes the cleansing destruction of the earth by fire.. which occurs at the same time as the Great White Throne Judgement. All being in heaven while the earth is undergoing that ordeal to prepare for transformation to a new heaven and a new earth.

Within that same time-frame is the end of the church age which will happen at the time of the rapture which then leads to the seven year Tribulation. The Jews call the Tribulation 'the time of Jacob's trouble.'

Pat Robertson believes this dispensational theology.

 

[Running2win]

Luke 21:24 KJV: And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This time of the Gentiles has not yet began.

Revelation 11:2 KJV: But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

It's a period of 42 months in which Jerusalem is occupied by gentile forces given to Israel to help protect the Israeli government from its enemy neighbors.The occupying forces are overrun by a ten nation confederation of Muslim forces.(the beast).

Afterward the Lord comes and fight against those nations which came against Jerusalem.

I this is it. ^
The fullness of the gentiles is different & when the church is complete (made up of mostly gentiles) and then remnant of Israel is saved and take their place of Leadership among the nations in the MK. This will happen after Jesus comes back to take possession of the MK. (Zech. 12 &14)

True the focus will change to Israel and the Middle East as we get closer to the opening of the seven sealed scroll. This will be at the start of 70th week of Daniel. IMO (Dan 9:24-27) God will have all eyes on Israel and Jerusalem, and the surrounding nations. Just keep you eye on events over there.

25For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

26and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
“THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB.”

27“THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS.”

5Then the angel whom I saw standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven, 6and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT, that there will be delay no longer, 7but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.

 

[mlepfitjw]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

@Gup20 The age that is going to come to an end is at the exiting of life itself. Us, dying. Being to lazy to bring up any scripture this is the reality of part of life itself.

 

[JacksBratt]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;​

I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?

Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”

We're mighty close... best be prepared..

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Ezekiel 12:22 "Son of man, what is this proverb that you have in the land of Israel: 'The days go by, and every vision fails'?
Ezekiel 12:23 Therefore tell them that this is what the Lord GOD says: 'I will put an end to this proverb, and in Israel they will no longer recite it.' But say to them: 'The days are at hand when every vision will be fulfilled.

That's a great passage. But this one is also true.


18:22
KJ21
when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Saint Paul mentions in Hebrews 8


6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.


Why is prophetic accuracy something that only happened in the Old Testament? We have a better Covenant than they do.... Why is there so little accuracy.... It's almost like people realize that now we don't stone people anymore therefore they have Carte Blanche to prophesy all their fondest hopes and dreams.

 

[nolidad]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;​

I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?

Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”

No disrespect to these two men, but the time of the Gentiles comes to an end when Jesus returns! It started with Nebuchadnezzar and ends with the defeat of the antichrist!

 

[shilohsfoal]

That's a great passage. But this one is also true.


18:22
KJ21
when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.


Saint Paul mentions in Hebrews 8


6Now, however, Jesus has received a much more excellent ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is better and is founded on better promises. 7For if that first covenant had been without fault, no place would have been sought for a second.


Why is prophetic accuracy something that only happened in the Old Testament? We have a better Covenant than they do.... Why is there so little accuracy.... It's almost like people realize that now we don't stone people anymore therefore they have Carte Blanche to prophesy all their fondest hopes and dreams.

I thought you were talking about actual prophets in the Bible.
Im not sure who you are calling prophets now.

 

[shilohsfoal]

They do not possess the old Promised Land. They have not come back in biblical obedience. This is all Dispy propaganda.

As of now, Jews control Jerusalem.
But there is a time to come when Gentile forces will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months.
That is the time of the Gentiles when they tread Jerusalem under foot.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I thought you were talking about actual prophets in the Bible.
Im not sure who you are calling prophets now.

Fair enough.

In the OP you quoted stuff from Lana Vassar and Church Pierce those are two people in the "prophetic movement" (they claim to be prophets and prophesy). A movement in the Charismatic movement that promotes modern day prophets in Christianity something that started with the "Later Rain" movement in Pentecostalism in the 1950s.

Apostolic-Prophetic Movement - Wikipedia


All I'm asking for is that if people claim to be prophets, and speak a modern "Thus sayeth the Lord" that they do so accurately etc. or at least don't make up excuses and rationalizations when X does not come to pass".


Here is an extreme example of what I'm talking about.

 

[Randy777]

[Luk 21:24 NASB] 24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

[Rom 11:25 NASB] 25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;​

I've seen a lot of prophecy lately that talk about new eras and that the time of the Gentiles has ended (the church age). What are the thoughts of people here on that?

Lana Vawser:
I HEARD THE LORD SAY “PROPHETS I AM INVITING YOU INTO A DEEPER PLACE OF UNDERSTANDING MY WAYS IN THIS MOMENT FOR THE NEW ERA AND MIGHTY SHIFT TAKING PLACE NOW. IT’S IMPORTANT TO LISTEN MORE THAN YOU SPEAK RIGHT NOW”

Not until after the testimony of the two witnesses in Jerusalem. 1260 days as spoken in Rev 11. Then the beast is in the world and those that took joy in the deaths of Gods 2 witnesses will fall to the lie of the beast and be condemned along with the beast. In that sense those people from all nations will be cut off because of unbelief and they refused to repent of their evil ways.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Fair enough.

In the OP you quoted stuff from Lana Vassar and Church Pierce those are two people in the "prophetic movement" (they claim to be prophets and prophesy). A movement in the Charismatic movement that promotes modern day prophets in Christianity something that started with the "Later Rain" movement in Pentecostalism in the 1950s.

Apostolic-Prophetic Movement - Wikipedia


All I'm asking for is that if people claim to be prophets, and speak a modern "Thus sayeth the Lord" that they do so accurately etc. or at least don't make up excuses and rationalizations when X does not come to pass".


Here is an extreme example of what I'm talking about.

I see. I'm not the OP but thanks for letting me know what you are talking about. I don't consider anyone to be prophets these days and I do believe I've seen many prophecies fulfilled in my lifetime made by biblical prophets.

I consider John to be the last person called upon to deliver a genuine prophecy for our generation.

 

[mkgal1]

PS,
If you believe Jesus was talking about the first century, what date do you believe the heavens and earth passed away?

Luke 21:33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away.

Or if you don't know that date then do you know the date Jesus came and raised the dead?

Luke 21:27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

"Heavens and earth" is covenant language. I believe the New Heaven/New Earth began at the destruction of Jerusalem and the entire Sinai Judaism in 70 AD.

"The Gentiles trampling Jerusalem for 42 months" is what preceded that destruction.

Quoting Adam Maarschalk:
In early 68 AD Jesus ben Gamala, one of the former high priests, gave a speech in which he described what was happening to Jerusalem because of the Zealots:

“And this place, which is adored by the habitable world, and honored by such as only know it by report, as far as the ends of the earth, is trampled upon by these wild beasts born among ourselves” (Wars 4.4.3).​

So, according to this testimony, it was the Zealots who trampled Jerusalem, and they had a reputation for behaving like wild beasts. In what sense were they “Gentiles,” though? Consider what [1] The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and [2] The Jewish Encyclopedia say about the use of the word “goy” in Scripture:

1. “The Hebrew word goy (plural goyim) means ‘nation.’ In Biblical usage it is applied also to Israel: ‘Ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation’ (goy kadosh; Ex. 19:6).”

Source: “Gentiles,” The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Inc., 1941); Volume 4, p. 533.

1. “In the Hebrew of the Bible ‘goi’ and its plural ‘goyyim’ originally meant ‘nation,’ and were applied both to Israelites and to non-Israelites (Gen. xii. 2, xvii. 20; Ex. xiii. 3, xxxii. 10; Deut. iv. 7; viii. 9, 14; Num. xiv. 12; Isa. i. 4, ix. 22; Jer. vii. 28).”

Source: “Gentile,” The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1905); Volume 5, p. 615.

There were indeed multiple nations that trampled Jerusalem from the fall of 66 AD until the spring of 70 AD when the Romans were not in the city. Wikipedia gives this summary of those who fought the hardest against the Romans:

“During the Great Rebellion (66-70 CE) the Galileans and Idumeans were the most adamant fighters against Rome; they fought the Romans to the death when many Judeans were ready to accept peace terms.”The Gentiles Trampled Jerusalem for 42 Months (Revelation 11:1-2)

 

[shilohsfoal]

"Heavens and earth" is covenant language. I believe the New Heaven/New Earth began at the destruction of Jerusalem and the entire Sinai Judaism in 70 AD.

"The Gentiles trampling Jerusalem for 42 months" is what preceded that destruction.

Quoting Adam Maarschalk:
In early 68 AD Jesus ben Gamala, one of the former high priests, gave a speech in which he described what was happening to Jerusalem because of the Zealots:

“And this place, which is adored by the habitable world, and honored by such as only know it by report, as far as the ends of the earth, is trampled upon by these wild beasts born among ourselves” (Wars 4.4.3).​

So, according to this testimony, it was the Zealots who trampled Jerusalem, and they had a reputation for behaving like wild beasts. In what sense were they “Gentiles,” though? Consider what [1] The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia and [2] The Jewish Encyclopedia say about the use of the word “goy” in Scripture:

1. “The Hebrew word goy (plural goyim) means ‘nation.’ In Biblical usage it is applied also to Israel: ‘Ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and a holy nation’ (goy kadosh; Ex. 19:6).”

Source: “Gentiles,” The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Inc., 1941); Volume 4, p. 533.

1. “In the Hebrew of the Bible ‘goi’ and its plural ‘goyyim’ originally meant ‘nation,’ and were applied both to Israelites and to non-Israelites (Gen. xii. 2, xvii. 20; Ex. xiii. 3, xxxii. 10; Deut. iv. 7; viii. 9, 14; Num. xiv. 12; Isa. i. 4, ix. 22; Jer. vii. 28).”

Source: “Gentile,” The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York, NY: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1905); Volume 5, p. 615.

There were indeed multiple nations that trampled Jerusalem from the fall of 66 AD until the spring of 70 AD when the Romans were not in the city. Wikipedia gives this summary of those who fought the hardest against the Romans:

“During the Great Rebellion (66-70 CE) the Galileans and Idumeans were the most adamant fighters against Rome; they fought the Romans to the death when many Judeans were ready to accept peace terms.”The Gentiles Trampled Jerusalem for 42 Months (Revelation 11:1-2)

So did "fire" come out of the Romans mouths to devour thier enemies?

Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Revelation 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 11:4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

I know "fire" is a common military term used by Gentiles but I was unaware the Romans used that term.

 

[mkgal1]

So did "fire" come out of the Romans mouths to devour thier enemies?

Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Revelation 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 11:4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

I know "fire" is a common military term used by Gentiles but I was unaware the Romans used that term.

I don't believe the word "fire" is in reference to something the Romans said. I believe it's a reference to this passage from the prophecy of Jeremiah:

Because you speak this word, behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them” (Jeremiah 5:14).​

 

[shilohsfoal]

I don't believe the word "fire" is in reference to something the Romans said. I believe it's a reference to this passage from the prophecy of Jeremiah:

Because you speak this word, behold, I will make My words in your mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them” (Jeremiah 5:14).​

"fire" proceeds out of the mouths of the gentile witnesses who will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Revelation 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 11:4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

Like I said, I know "fire" is a common military command among gentile nations but I was unaware Roman's used it. I don't think the word started being used till the evention of gun powder.
I also don't think the Romans became witnesses of Christ till long after you say this was fulfilled.

 

[mkgal1]

"fire" proceeds out of the mouths of the gentile witnesses who will occupy Jerusalem for 42 months.

Revelation 11:2 But exclude the courtyard outside the temple. Do not measure it, because it has been given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
Revelation 11:3 And I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth."
Revelation 11:4 These witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
Revelation 11:5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouths and devours their enemies. In this way, anyone who wants to harm them must be killed.

I don't take that as literal. Prophetic language is often symbolic.

Where do you get these are Gentile witnesseses?

Adam Maarschalk has done extensive research on this.. .and the conclusions he's drawn is what makes sense to me.

I believe this is the time frame: link to full thesis - The Two Witnesses Killed by the Beast (Revelation 11:3-13)