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Thanks.I've had a change of mind after reading the book, and checking and finding that all the scripture references David gives are correct.
And no, I did not read the book before I started this thread, I started reading the book a few hours after posting this thread.
I would have thought that most of us were conversant with Col 2:18-19 where Paul attacks those who “take their stand on visions that they have seen”. One would have thought that if Paul expected that we could base our doctrinal positions on visions or from messages supposedly given by angels that he would have told us so. Here we have Paul attacking those who appear to be running around pretending that they have been given some special visionary revelation; if Paul takes such a hard stand on this issue then undoubtedly we are expected to be as diligent as he was in this matter.
NASB Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
If any of us have the misfortune of walking into a congregation where is someone on the platform spouting out the foolishness that we hear from the likes of David E. Taylor or Kat Kerr, then we would be well advised to leave the building as soon as possible.
Unlike Taylor and Kerr, we can make no false claim to any extra-biblical 'special inside information' but we can rely on the witness of the Spirit of God within us which is why we can say with complete confidence that these two are simply charlatans of the worst order.
Considering that we have now entered into the 21st century which means that we have been able to build up over a century of knowledge and experience with the Full Gospel; we now find ourselves playing with hobgoblins and esoteric tangents which have gone a long way to undermine the Gospel of Christ for so many.Thank you, thank you, thank you . . . keep feeling like the guy who points out the emperor has no clothes and getting jumped on for saying the obvious and challenged to prove it, which of course is to say 'open your eyes' or perhaps 'pray that the Lord will open your eyes.'
I would have thought that most of us were conversant with Col 2:18-19 where Paul attacks those who take their stand on visions that they have seen. One would have thought that if Paul expected that we could base our doctrinal positions on visions or from messages supposedly given by angels that he would have told us so. Here we have Paul attacking those who appear to be running around pretending that they have been given some special visionary revelation; if Paul takes such a hard stand on this issue then undoubtedly we are expected to be as diligent as he was in this matter.
NASB Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
If any of us have the misfortune of walking into a congregation where is someone on the platform spouting out the foolishness that we hear from the likes of David E. Taylor or Kat Kerr, then we would be well advised to leave the building as soon as possible.
Unlike Taylor and Kerr, we can make no false claim to any extra-biblical 'special inside information' but we can rely on the witness of the Spirit of God within us which is why we can say with complete confidence that these two are simply charlatans of the worst order.
Seems to me the devil used the strengths of our movement (passion, commitment, love for the Lord, willingness to leap in faith) and taken advantage of our general weaknesses (poor Biblical exegesis, emotionally needy, experientially-oriented) to steer a large segment off in the wrong direction
On that we are in agreement. We should test the visions against the scripture. That is pretty standard doctrine for most churches.
Exactly...If an angel, or man contradicts scripture, we should disregard whats purported to be fact..Ive known people who have claimed visions, visits, etc, because of what I believe to be extra-biblical beliefs..They have gone to great lengths to claim that certain books should have been included in the canon we have, as well as trying to discredit countless scholars who have researched text for hundreds of years and are in agreement with what is and isn't "inspired" or considered spurious.
A love of the scriptures is a definite sign that the Holy spirit is at work within a person.
Very true... When I read books about past revivals...men like John Wesley had some intense experiences.
But he also was fluent in several languages. He studied Latin and German so he could read Theological writings in their original languages. he studied Hebrew and Greek so that he could study the Bible in the original languages.
He studied the scriptures in a way that would make us look like we are not even putting in a serious effort to study the scriptures.
The same could be said of Charles Finney, Jonathan Edwards , William Seymour, William Booth, and many others. We love the radical results and experiences with the Lord that these men had. But they all loved the scripture and considered that to be the measure.
A love of the scriptures is a definite sign that the Holy spirit is at work within a person.
NASB Col 2:18 Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.
You wouild be well advised to leave if you're not hearing. It's one thing to be undecided, but you often rush to judgment --- which we are not supposed to do. Raise the banner of those who rush in! "Protect"the childlike who judge after the Spirit and bar the doors of those who would enter in based on the violation of your understanding of the Word. Very sad.If any of us have the misfortune of walking into a congregation where is someone on the platform spouting out the foolishness that we hear from the likes of David E. Taylor or Kat Kerr, then we would be well advised to leave the building as soon as possible.
It slumbers not. Your path is paved with the pearls of trampled offerings of intended blessing for God's children. Won't you change your judgment on matters like this (this isn't the only one you've pegged a charlatan).Unlike Taylor and Kerr, we can make no false claim to any extra-biblical 'special inside information' but we can rely on the witness of the Spirit of God within us which is why we can say with complete confidence that these two are simply charlatans of the worst order.
He just said what Jesus us told Him. Yes you can speak to the Holy Spirit and He does often take on a form, however different.<That a man can stand there and say Jesus promised a personal face to face visitation if you read his book . . . come on folks, wake up!! Smell the sales-pitch here! He says he was introduced to the Holy Spirit? People? Didn't he already have the Spirit dwelling in him? And how exactly does one 'meet' omnipresence?
I guess I should stop trying to splash the water in the faces to wake them up and just let them suffer the consequences of following after these demonic deceptions. Jesus said it would happen, 'Lord, Lord, did we not . . .'
When it comes to the likes of Kerr and this Taylor chappie, I am staggered that there are many who can be so easily conned – and sadly there are many who even despise the term ‘discernment’!
I still think that I can detect a little bit of a skeptical attitude towards visions in your post. My question to you would be when and on what basis would a vision be acceptable ?
A friend of mine gave me a copy of it to read a while ago; since then its just been sitting in my room unread. I'm kind of cautious about it, it sounds a bit dodgy, but I'm not 100% sure.
Many people who have read that book say Jesus has appeared to them in person afterwards.
What I was thinking was, why do I have to read some book to have an appearence from Jesus? And why can't I just read my Bible and have an appearence from Jesus?
It all seems a bit confusing; and I keep on thinking about it; should I read it or not.
Anyone here read that book?
light speed is about , almost 200 and some thousand miles an hour. Do you know how fast that is ?
The Father God Appears Openly In Front of Millions
in New Brunswick, Canada!
Apostle Taylor was in a major conference in Providence, Rhode Island when three leaders from Canada approached him after hearing his testimony about how God has been coming down in every region that he is sent to. He told them that he would love to come and that God said He would go before him! Everyone agreed to the wonderful news and just three days later God appeared openly before millions in Canada!
What I was thinking was, why do I have to read some book to have an appearence from Jesus? And why can't I just read my Bible and have an appearence from Jesus?
This statement I can agree with....It is your wild and somewhat random conclusions on the details that I find fault with.....
Don't know the book, but I know two people who have met the Lord face to face. One lady who had a hard life, was going to commit suicide by gassing herself, the Lord appeared to her and stopped her killing herself. Another is an ex- muslim lady, the first known believer in her country. The Lord appeared to her in her bedroom.
So it does happen.
I am on a ministry team that weekly works healing and deliverance in public settings at a large hotel in our city. I've found that the more I operate in this setting, the faster the Lord speaks to me about the nature of what I'm dealing with. I often have an instantaneous sense now for when the enemy is present. Same thing happens on here. As I'm reading things, I get an immediate sense for it from the Spirit. I don't always have the details down as I'm still learning to listen and discern with clarity in this gift, but I know the general sense very quickly. I can say with very strong confidence that the majority of the manifestations like the heavenly visits, feathers, gems, dust, etc are the product of human deception. But some, a few who have genuinely entertained angels of lights, are actually preternatural manifestations (in other words, demonic).
I did take the time just now to look up David E Taylor and watch a few short videos. Just enough to get a first impression of his ministry.
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So then I watched another video. This one comes from his website and shows a cloud formation in the sky over New Brunswick.
When I watched that cloud video last year it seemed extremely dodgy. I'm realy not sure that was a genuine miracle from God or not.Strange also that David uses it as proof for his ministry.
There was another upload of that video, but the title was something about the god Zeus. Also, searching on youtube, there is hundreds of videos claiming to be God's face in the clouds.
would be interested to hear what you experience after reading the book.
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