Harun Yahya

[lucaspa]

This came up in another thread


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Originally Posted by worship4ever

And an awesome site, not creationist, about evolution. This one is worth reading.

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man.html
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Yahya is strictly YEC. He cribbed everything from ICR and AiG. During the late 1980s and early 1990s there was a steady stream of prominent YECers to Turkey, invited by Ohktar's organization -- Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Ken Ham, etc.

His followers are Internet savvy and you will find hundreds of sites if you do a Google search using Yahya. All like this one.

If you notice, Yahya and his YEC is only present in Turkey -- a secular state -- and in Western countries. Not a single Islamic state tolerates Yahya. About 5 years ago Yahya was arrested on charges of kidnapping, extortion, bribery, and assorted other charges. I'm not sure if he is out of jail yet.

Personally, I think Yahya is an attempt by Christian fundamentalists to infiltrate and subvert Islam. Considering how tightly YECers tie YEC to Jesus, it looks like this was supposed to be the "wedge" into Islam and, as soon as YEC was accepted, the other shoe of saying that YEC means the CHRISTIAN deity was going to drop.

In terms of accuracy, Yahya is not worth reading. His works are full of selected data, misquotes of scientists, strawman versions of evolution, outright lies, etc. All of the tactics ICR and AiG used in the 1980s.

 

[JohnR7]

"We are Muslims who love Jesus, believe in all his miracles and noble morality, know that he will come back to the world again to save humanity and we are eagerly waiting for this great and blessed event to happen.

Islam gives us this expectation. The Qur'an is definite in its assertion that Jesus is alive and that he will come back again to this world. Our Prophet Mohammed, may God bless him and grant him peace, announced in great detail that Jesus would come back to the earth miraculously in the last days and bring peace, justice and happiness by uniting Christians and Muslims in a common religion and morality. This is God's great and wonderful promise and there is no doubt that it will be fulfilled."

http://www.harunyahya.com/50waiting_for_jesus.php

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Originally Posted by worship4ever

And an awesome site, not creationist, about evolution. This one is worth reading.

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man.html
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lucaspa:::His followers are Internet savvy and you will find hundreds of sites if you do a Google search using Yahya. All like this one.

JohnR7:::Interesting. I have said all along that God is going to save one third of ever tongue, nation, tribe and people.

 

[vajradhara]

This came up in another thread


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Originally Posted by worship4ever

And an awesome site, not creationist, about evolution. This one is worth reading.

http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/origin_of_man.html
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Yahya is strictly YEC. He cribbed everything from ICR and AiG. During the late 1980s and early 1990s there was a steady stream of prominent YECers to Turkey, invited by Ohktar's organization -- Henry Morris, Duane Gish, Ken Ham, etc.

His followers are Internet savvy and you will find hundreds of sites if you do a Google search using Yahya. All like this one.

If you notice, Yahya and his YEC is only present in Turkey -- a secular state -- and in Western countries. Not a single Islamic state tolerates Yahya. About 5 years ago Yahya was arrested on charges of kidnapping, extortion, bribery, and assorted other charges. I'm not sure if he is out of jail yet.

Personally, I think Yahya is an attempt by Christian fundamentalists to infiltrate and subvert Islam. Considering how tightly YECers tie YEC to Jesus, it looks like this was supposed to be the "wedge" into Islam and, as soon as YEC was accepted, the other shoe of saying that YEC means the CHRISTIAN deity was going to drop.

In terms of accuracy, Yahya is not worth reading. His works are full of selected data, misquotes of scientists, strawman versions of evolution, outright lies, etc. All of the tactics ICR and AiG used in the 1980s.

Namaste,

Yahya is so biased that it's hard to credit anything that he writes.. even should some of it be correct.

 

[JohnR7]

Namaste,

Yahya is so biased that it's hard to credit anything that he writes.. even should some of it be correct.

Biased towards what? The truth? If people are interested to learn about those subjects, he provides the information for them. If they are not interested, then they will not read it.

 

[Duane Morse]

"JohnR7:::Interesting. I have said all along that God is going to save one third of ever tongue, nation, tribe and people."

Hi John, how do you come up with the one third?

 

[vajradhara]

Biased towards what? The truth? If people are interested to learn about those subjects, he provides the information for them. If they are not interested, then they will not read it.

not biased towards the truth, biased towards his own political agenda. his discriptions of Buddhism are so incorrect that it couldn't have been a "mistake", it's deliberate distortion and outright falsehood. some of my Muslim friends think that his take on Islam is also very off base, though i shall have to rely upon their opinion on that as i'm not a Muslim.

 

[JohnR7]

"JohnR7:::Interesting. I have said all along that God is going to save one third of ever tongue, nation, tribe and people."

Hi John, how do you come up with the one third?

I base it mostly on this scripture:

Zech. 13:9
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, 'This is My people';
And each one will say, 'The Lord is my God.' "

It is a prophecy for Isreal. But I believe what God does for Isreal, He will do for all mankind. He is no respector of persons, He does not favor one person or one nation over another.

 

[Duane Morse]

Here is one that indicates that one half will make it to heaven.

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

And here there is no distinction for Isreal, it seems to cover everyone.

 

[JohnR7]

Here is one that indicates that one half will make it to heaven.

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

And here there is no distinction for Isreal, it seems to cover everyone.

Well, at least half of everyone that is grinding at the mill and working out in the field. It does say half will be taken.

 

[lucaspa]

Namaste,

Yahya is so biased that it's hard to credit anything that he writes.. even should some of it be correct.

If you look at the quote from a Yahya site posted by John in the second post, you will find support for my hypothesis that Yahya is a fifth-column by fundamentalist Christians to topple Islam. No Muslim could have made those statements about Jesus and eventual salvation.

 

[lucaspa]

Biased towards what? The truth? If people are interested to learn about those subjects, he provides the information for them. If they are not interested, then they will not read it.

Definitely NOT biased toward the truth. What Yahya provides is misinformation. For instance, we get the old "evolution is atheism" canard, the old "there are no transitional fossils" canard, and all the falsified garbage about the Flood Geology.

The quote you gave could not have come from Muslims because the Q'uran does NOT say that about Jesus, so it is not even the truth of the Q'uran.

 

[wonderingman16]

Definitely NOT biased toward the truth. What Yahya provides is misinformation. For instance, we get the old "evolution is atheism" canard, the old "there are no transitional fossils" canard, and all the falsified garbage about the Flood Geology.

The quote you gave could not have come from Muslims because the Q'uran does NOT say that about Jesus, so it is not even the truth of the Q'uran.

do u have links to transtional fossils? i have been looking cause i can't find any. thanks

 

[PhantomLlama]

Here you go. A thread on the subject Lucaspa started.

Transitional fossil thread

 

[JohnR7]

Here you go. A thread on the subject Lucaspa started.

Transitional fossil thread

I looked at the links he provided and I really did not see any evidence of anything on there.

 

[Arikay]

Maybe, look harder.

 

[foolsparade]

has "worship4ever" posted a science link yet that was neutral? Every link I have seen has an agenda, maybe I missed a few.

 

[JohnR7]

Maybe, look harder.

I looked hard enough. Life is to short to waste time.

 

[JohnR7]

has "worship4ever" posted a science link yet that was neutral? Every link I have seen has an agenda, maybe I missed a few.

Just what do you think his agenda is?

 

[Cantuar]

The NCSE has an interesting article here about creationism in Turkey and its ties to the American creationist ministries. That stuff about Muslims who love Jesus is weird; I didn't think there were any true Muslims who thought Jesus was the true Messiah, but then I didn't think Jesus was the centre of the Jewish religion either, which seems to be the basic notion of the Jews for Jesus groups, who consider themselves the True Jews.

I'm a bit mystified about the reference in Harun Yahya's biography about some article or something in the 22 April 2000 issue of New Scientist that called him a hero for opposing materialism and evolution. For one thing, there wasn't a 22 April issue in 2000, and for another thing, a search of the entire New Scientist archive for the guy's real name and the Yahya pseudonym turns up nothing.