"HARRY POTTER" SEDUCTION

[Harrythepizzaguy]

I've grown really tired of the extremist Christian types...they, above anyone else...do MORE damage to today's Christianity than anything else right now. The bland, lack of depth, hippy attitude is becoming a cancer in the body. I find it hard to do good works when people who claim to be under Christ seem to undermine those things by their overly extremist attitudes.

Let me end with this:

If Harry Potter is evil..then than must mean Mickey Mouse is the devil.

Comparing Mickey Mouse to Harry Potter is apples and oranges....But I think I saw a Mickey Mouse cartoon once where Mickey's words spelled backwards were an evil subliminal message like: "the dead demon-mouse from Hell..." well, maybe that was back in the 70's and I was listening to disco at the time and might have heard it wrong...

 

[SteelDisciple]

Comparing Mickey Mouse to Harry Potter is apples and oranges....But I think I saw a Mickey Mouse cartoon once where Mickey's words spelled backwards were an evil subliminal message like: "the dead demon-mouse from Hell..." well, maybe that was back in the 70's and I was listening to disco at the time and might have heard it wrong...

heheh..disco will do that to ya...

As for apples and Oranges..not really..I mean..Mickey Mouse uses magic a lot. Heck...Fantasia was ALL about Mickey and magic. Not to mention other Disney films like Sleeping Beauty and every other Disney film.

I deffinetly don't think those are wrong...but..I DO think that new kiddy cartoon on saturday morning called W.I.T.C.H. IS wrong...why do I point that out and not Harry Potter you ask? Because it's geared towards influencing children and not purely entertainment. And I say that because the theme of the show is "It's more fun to be a witch then to be a normal girl"

And infact...one of the characters even SAYS and I quote "Everyone knows it's more fun to be a witch!"



There's a massive difference between fantasy for the sake of fantasy...and shows DESIGNED to sell a set of ideals.

 

[SteelDisciple]

Funny you should mention the series "Bewitched" from the 60's or 70's.... When I was a kid I watched "Bewiched" and didn't have a strong Christian influence in my life except my parents good examples and I was caught up in the show and wanting to be like the "good witches" and have their powers....etc... this sort of thing is not innocent... I still feel it is a veiled seduction with an "innocent face".... smiling nice demons-- why you could almost mistake them for innocent lost little lambs...

I watche Bewitched at a very very young age...but I never even had the slightest desire to be a witch...I went to church..but you couldn't really call me a christian...I was too young to really fully understand it all. Heck..I used to watch horror movies, with lots of blood...but even as an adult..seeing REAL blood disturbs me so much. I can say though..if there had been a Christian show on..it wouldn't have influenced me either...I don't watch movies to be influenced...I just watch to be entertained.

 

[Leebal]

I watche Bewitched at a very very young age...but I never even had the slightest desire to be a witch...I went to church..but you couldn't really call me a christian...I was too young to really fully understand it all. Heck..I used to watch horror movies, with lots of blood...but even as an adult..seeing REAL blood disturbs me so much. I can say though..if there had been a Christian show on..it wouldn't have influenced me either...I don't watch movies to be influenced...I just watch to be entertained.

See, that's the thing.. It doesn't disturb us. Should it disturb us at all? Most people view these things and see it as harmless fun. Harry Potter does have magic as well as fantasia. It will feel funny if we practiced witchcraft and such, but it will be totaly different if we only WATCHED it.

You guys might think TV is strctly for entertainmnet and it doesn't influence, then why doesn't blood, violence, gore, sexual content, or witchcraft disturb us? It seems that our society is de-sensitation for this stuff unless we actually practice this stuff.

Day after day, movie makers are making movies with more of these elements causing a sort of normality the more we watch these things. Harry Potter is no exception simply because it is a children's character. God bless all!

 

[SteelDisciple]

See, that's the thing.. It doesn't disturb us. Should it disturb us at all? Most people view these things and see it as harmless fun. Harry Potter does have magic as well as fantasia. It will feel funny if we practiced witchcraft and such, but it will be totaly different if we only WATCHED it.

You guys might think TV is strctly for entertainmnet and it doesn't influence, then why doesn't blood, violence, gore, sexual content, or witchcraft disturb us? It seems that our society is de-sensitation for this stuff unless we actually practice this stuff.

Day after day, movie makers are making movies with more of these elements causing a sort of normality the more we watch these things. Harry Potter is no exception simply because it is a children's character. God bless all!

I don't really agree. I'm not de-sensitized by seeing all the blood and gore on TV...Like I said..I can't even stand the sight of REAL blood. And I don't like real violence. It's not about de-sensitising...it's about knowing fact from fiction. I know the difference between real and what's in a movie.

 

[Sabina41]

I see real blood and gore (though not human) on an almost daily basis at the animal hospital. Doesn't bother me at all. Seeing blood and gore in a movie - can't stand it. Absolutely HATE horror movies. Same thing with sexual content. So am I desensitized? Nope.

As for Harry Potter, if you've actually watched the movies (most people who complain about them haven't, which makes me wonder what right they have and how on earth they could possibly know what they're talking about...) Harry and his friends do remarkably little magic. Actually a lot less than in the books....which ironically is what irks me the most because the movies aren't true to the books. Also, they do magic for good and in the most recent book it was pointed out that magic doesn't solve all (most) things. I think that when all is said and done in the 7th book, Harry will have to destroy Voldemort through nonmagical means because of that statement and because it will be the humanizing difference between him and Voldemort. They don't promote magic, often the books and movies point out the shortcomings of magic and it is only on sheer brains and courage that the children survive.

Humbly,
Ashley

 

[SteelDisciple]

I see real blood and gore (though not human) on an almost daily basis at the animal hospital. Doesn't bother me at all. Seeing blood and gore in a movie - can't stand it. Absolutely HATE horror movies. Same thing with sexual content. So am I desensitized? Nope.

As for Harry Potter, if you've actually watched the movies (most people who complain about them haven't, which makes me wonder what right they have and how on earth they could possibly know what they're talking about...) Harry and his friends do remarkably little magic. Actually a lot less than in the books....which ironically is what irks me the most because the movies aren't true to the books. Also, they do magic for good and in the most recent book it was pointed out that magic doesn't solve all (most) things. I think that when all is said and done in the 7th book, Harry will have to destroy Voldemort through nonmagical means because of that statement and because it will be the humanizing difference between him and Voldemort. They don't promote magic, often the books and movies point out the shortcomings of magic and it is only on sheer brains and courage that the children survive.

Humbly,
Ashley

Isn't it amazing how two people can be so completely different? You see blood all the time and it doesn't bother you...but can't stand it in movies...for me..I could watch the goriest movie out there and it wouldn't even phase me...but if I saw blood in real life...I'd be freaked out.

 

[MooTipping]

What we are seeing with the Harry Potter movies and books is a seduction of young people into the world of magic and evil by dark seducing spirits. What do seducing spirits do? They seduce--and they are very good at it. It's the same with the Harry Potter magic as it is with pornography and drugs and Halloween, the so-called "Innocent" demon celebration. What seducing spirits do is start with pretend innocence--"oh, it's just a little harmless magic;" or "it's just soft-porn;" or "it's just a little weed;" or "Halloween is just an innocent holiday." Once they get people on the hook, then they draw them deeper and deeper into the seduction of spiritual darkness. From what I've heard, the latest Harry Potter movie was the darkest one yet. For Christians, participating in these things is like throwing "just a little incense" on the altars of these idols...It may seem innocent, but innocent-looking demons are still deadly demons... I no longer participate in Halloween and continue to refuse to watch the Harry Potter movies.

ah i see... i love Harry Potter and I wish there were magic.

 

[LouTheWicked]

I read the Harry Potter books but I have no interest whatsoever in getting into witchcraft or learing spells.

 

[PorcelainHeart]

I rather a kid read Harry Potter then watch bad tv shows and listen to bad music. I have never seen any kids evil or satanist because of Harry Potter, they are usually like that even before the book comes out. We shouldn't blame a book on kids turning from GOD, there are many different reasons kids turn from god. Some parents just don't have the time to teach kids about GOD and heaven and I find that sad.

 

[eaglex]

I like Harry Potter . I actually watch the movies for the special effects in them.

 

[awesome liver]

i saw the first post and a few of the responses and jumped here to say:

thanks for the laugh. harry potter has taught me to fly and turn my worst enemies into things other than human. thank you, harry potter.

cos witchcraft is REAL!!

 

[Bluwav]

Harry Potter never made me or my brother want to do magic.....magic is all fake anyways. Even my ultra-ultra-ultra Catholic aunts read the books and have the DVDs.

 

[gal4God]

i don't like harry Potter because i think the films encourege wicca

 

[exwitchoz]

I certainly wouldn't try to 'prevent' anyone from reading HP books or watching the flicks... I think it would be just plain stupid and an infringement of another's right to choose their own entertainment (so long as it is not harming another)...

However... That said...

While I don't think that anyone and everyone who watches a HP flick is going to run off and become a demon worshipping psychopath - which *rolls eyes* I've heard some (who should know better) claim - I do see the potential that a small number of the total number of viewers/readers will be influenced into thinking that magick is all fluffy, harmless bumpf... any serious practitioner of Magick will tell you that there ARE dangers... *shrugs* hey! I was a pagan (on the Left Hand Path) myself... (you can read a bit more about that at my site - link in my profile)

Now that I am a Christian I feel that it is only right (and a 'responsibility' - for want of a better term) to warn ppl of the dangers in Magick (both those acknowledged by practitioners) and those defined in Scripture... the old analogy of "If someone was in a burning house would you warn them to get out?" comes in here... yeah I know it's not a 'perfect fit' but few analogies are but I think you see what I'm getting at...

As someone mentioned in another Potter thread I think Harry Potter makes no mention of the Wiccan Rede, the Sabbats etc etc... but Wicca is not the only form of Witchcraft nor is it even the only form of Neo-Pagan Witchcraft... My old Coven did not practice the Wiccan Rede and in fact 'The Rite of Vengence' was officially accepted into the Coven's 'Book of Shadows'. This was even reflected in the Coven's Motto: "Sic Gorgiamus Alius Subjectatus Nunc" ("We Gladly Devour All those Who Would Subdue Us")...

I personally think much more is made of Harry Potter than is neccessary - others will disagree - but as I said that's my personal view...

But as I said above and I say it again so there is no ambiguity here - and I say this as one who was the High Priest of a Neo-Pagan Coven before coming to Christ... Harry Potter is NOT a 'training manual' designed to intruduce kids to Witchcraft!!!! AND... Reading the books or watching the filns does NOT mean that your child will become a demon worshipping, blood drinking maniac (as I have herad some claim)...

That said...

It does have SOME impact however... in much the same way as TV shows and movies like Charmed, The Craft et al...

When I was High Priest of a Coven here in Western Australia out of every 100 enquiries re Coven membership only a handful were NOT from teenaged girls who wanted to be like Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Shannon Doherty from Charmed... Yes it is a false view of Wicca and Neo-Pagan Witchcraft and certainly not what my Coven was about... but that's what they were after and to a large extent the likes of $ilver Ravenwolf and Fiona Horne catered for them and lined their pockets with the proceeds...

In much the same way, when Oberon Zell (founder of the Neo-Pagan 'Chucrch of All Worlds') is putting out stuff like this...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1564147118/qid=1114144249/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-1025318-5910205?n=507846&s=books&v=glance

http://www.greyschool.com/main.asp

To say Harry Potter has NO effect ... well... it kinda rings hollow now-a-days...

I must admit that with Hogwart's being such AGGRESSIVELY protected trademark (HP fan-sites are always being shut down for copyright breaches) old Oberon has been quite clever in his presentation of his Hogwarts 'clone' "School of Wizardry" and - dare I say specific - in his 'target audience'...

Must be really miffed about all that lost income from potential CAW memberships that $ilver Ravenwolf and Fiona Horne nabbed by NOT larfing at those teen girls that liked The Craft and Charmed et al and wanted to be "just like Shannon Doherty"...

 

[soblessed53]

Thank you so much for sharing that info. Very enlightening. I am not surprised about what the teen girls are looking for! Good post

 

[outlaw]

i don't like harry Potter because i think the films encourege wicca

Um…you might want to…oh I don’t know…actually learn something about Wicca before making bizarre claims like this.

 

[wblastyn]

This may shock some of you.....

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We live in the real world......where magic doesn't exist.

I think if someone is seduced to the dark side by HP they probably have some problems.

I'm more concerned about real life problems, like people dying from AIDS, poverty, etc.

*flies away on his vacuum cleaner ala. Sabrina* Hahahahahaaaaaa....

 

[exwitchoz]

We live in the real world......where magic doesn't exist.

We may have to 'agree to disagree' but as someone who was a practicing Witch before coming to Christ I can assure you that Magick does exist...

That said... the reality is poles apart from the 'Hollywood' version Like "Harry Potter" and "Charmed", etc... in much the same way as movies like "The Robe" and "The Ten Commandments" differ greatly from Biblical Christianity...

 

[CyberPaladin]

I hate Harry Potter not a religous thing at all just saw the first movie and didn't like it. I do think there tends to be quite abit of over reaction from chirstian extremist though on this and things dealing with media in general.