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And as I said before, the magic that is condemned is religious in nature, Harry Potter is not a religious book. Have you read the books (how many times have i asked you that, and you always ignore me)?Anyhow, having read works of 'curious arts' from early Christian times, I have to say, there was a lot of it that didn't seem to require pagan temple worship or idols, and among Neo-Platonists who did theurgy, many had views along the lines of theosophists, new-agers, and occultists rather than crude pagan worship or idolatry...
So when I see in Acts that believers destroyed the writings on 'curious arts', I don't see exclusively the idol-worship of pagan temples or worship of pagan deities, I also see in that category various writings involving astrology, charms, incantations, mystical theories, etc.
Harry Potter, as an apprentice sorcerer, was engaged in such 'arts', and if he was in Ephesus with Paul and converted to Christianity, he would have renounced his sorcery and burned whatever books or magical implements he had.
I don't see a story of an unrepentant sorcerer 'hero' as wholesome Christian entertainment.
And as I said before, the magic that is condemned is religious in nature
Have you read the books.
Practicing a fictional magic that the Biblical writers never heard of doesn't make him less heroic.
And no, Harry wouldn't renounce his sorcery (assuming it was true), because there's nothing contradictory about what he does and Christianity.
And would you care to show me where any of the witches in biblical times practiced the same spells that Harry practices?
LOL. Ive read papers by people far more educated than you that say that. Its certainly better than you constantly assuming the worst.Not always. You'd have to read that in or interpret it with that assumption.
There you have it folks. This should end the debate right here.
Harry doesnt practice anything thats condemned in the Bible. Vague notions about spells and potions are not what the Bible condemns.I ask people who like the books about it, and they tell me there are incantations, potions, Harry is an apprentice sorcerer, etc. Is any of that inaccurate?
No.Would practicing a specific form of sexual perversion not mentioned in the Bible make a character less heroic?
Protagonists sin just like the rest of us, but that doesnt make it less heroic. There are plenty of real people I consider heroes and theyll all sinners.What about an injustice? What about blasphemy?
Quoting verses out of context proves nothing. Witchcraft in this verse isnt what Harry practices. And even if it was, it doesnt make enjoying the story sinful. The Bible has more sins in it than Harry Potter.Galatians 5: 19-21 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."
Having sex is also condemned in the Bible. See, I can make the same vague references and make things sound sinful too.Muttering incantations and making enchantments/potions are mentioned repeatedly throughout the Bible.
Jesus also talked with dead people, and the wise men who visited Jesus were astrologers.Also, does he not study divination/astrology? Another thing mentioned throughout the Bible as forbidden.
Quit commenting on things you dont know about, its lazy and irresponsible. It just amazes me that you can be here trying to lecture people on something you dont know a damn thing about. You invade a thread that was discussing possible Harry Potter plot holes, and you post your ignorant comments. Do you have no shame? You're certainly a good example of the anti-Potter fundies.Does he channel spirits or do magic to summon the dead? I can't tell from what I've read whether this is the case or not, technically, but it does seem there is necromancy also. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
Just keep repeating that to yourself. Im sure it helps justify your condemnation of others.The point is, the series glorifies forbidden practices.
So what? The Bible has plenty of non-historical and non-biographical parts in it.That there are fictional elements just states the obvious: it isn't a work of biography or history.
Muttering incantations and making enchantments/potions are mentioned repeatedly throughout the Bible. Also, does he not study divination/astrology? Another thing mentioned throughout the Bible as forbidden.
Does he channel spirits or do magic to summon the dead? I can't tell from what I've read whether this is the case or not, technically, but it does seem there is necromancy also. Correct me if I'm wrong on that.
The point is, the series glorifies forbidden practices. That there are fictional elements just states the obvious: it isn't a work of biography or history.
And let us not forget that Tolkien was a devout Christian. As was C.S. Lewis, one of the most respected modern Christian figures in all circles, including conservative ones. I'm sure Lewis spent all that time writing books defending Christianity just to fool us into reading his satanic Narnia books.Chemistry and astronomy are evil! Chemistry and astronomy are evil!
Oh LOL! Seriously?!
The passage was lit by no shaft and was utterly dark. They groped their way down a long flight of steps, and then looked back; but they could see nothing, except high above them the faint glimmer of the wizard’s staff. He seemed to be still standing on guard by the closed door. Frodo breathed heavily and leaned against Sam, who put his arms about him. They stood peering up the stairs into the darkness. Frodo thought he could hear the voice of Gandalf above, muttering words that ran down the sloping roof with a sighing echo. He could not catch what was said. The walls seemed to be trembling. Every now and again the drum-beats throbbed and rolled: doom, doom. Suddenly at the top of the stair there was a stab of white light. Then there was a dull rumble and a heavy thud. The drum-beats broke out wildly: doom-boom, doom-boom, and then stopped. Gandalf came flying down the steps and fell to the ground in the midst of the Company. ‘Well, well! That’s over!’ said the wizard struggling to his feet. ‘I have done all that I could. But I have met my match, and have nearly been destroyed. But don’t stand here! Go on! You will have to do without light for a while: I am rather shaken. Go on! Go on! Where are you, Gimli? Come ahead with me! Keep close behind, all of you!’
They stumbled after him wondering what had happened. Doom, doom went the drum-beats again: they now sounded muffled and far away, but they were following. There was no other sound of pursuit, neither tramp of feet, nor any voice. Gandalf took no turns, right or left, for the passage seemed to be going in the direction that he desired. Every now and again it descended a flight of steps, fifty or more, to a lower level. At the moment that was their chief danger; for in the dark they could not see a descent, until they came on it and put their feet out into emptiness. Gandalf felt the ground with his staff like a blind man. At the end of an hour they had gone a mile, or maybe a little more, and had descended many flights of stairs. There was still no sound of pursuit. Almost they began to hope that they would escape. At the bottom of the seventh flight Gandalf halted. ‘It is getting hot!’ he gasped. ‘We ought to be down at least to the level of the Gates now. Soon I think we should look for a left-hand turn to take us east. I hope it is not far. I am very weary. I must rest here a moment, even if all the orcs ever spawned are after us.’ Gimli took his arm and helped him down to a seat on the step. ‘What happened away up there at the door?’ he asked. ‘Did you meet the beater of the drums?’ ‘I do not know,’ answered Gandalf. ‘But I found myself suddenly faced by something that I have not met before. I could think of nothing to do but to try and put a shutting-spell on the door. I know many; but to do things of that kind rightly requires time, and even then the door can be broken by strength. ‘As I stood there I could hear orc-voices on the other side: at any moment I thought they would burst it open. I could not hear what was said; they seemed to be talking in their own hideous language. All I caught was ghâsh: that is “fire”. Then something came into the chamber – I felt it through the door, and the orcs themselves were afraid and fell silent. It laid hold of the iron ring, and then it perceived me and my spell. ‘What it was I cannot guess, but I have never felt such a challenge. The counter-spell was terrible. It nearly broke me. For an instant the door left my control and began to open! I had to speak a word of Command. That proved too great a strain. The door burst in pieces. Something dark as a cloud was blocking out all the light inside, and I was thrown backwards down the stairs. All the wall gave way, and the roof of the chamber as well, I think.
Oh no! Gandalf is a Satan-worshiper!
Wont say anything about astronomy...but yes Chemistry is EVIL!! So is biology...which I took and hated (because its evil)...am now taking pathophysiology and that is evil as well...only reason Im doing it is so that I can experience the evil so I can fight it better in the future
APA...thats the evilest of them all...!!! ugghh
Do you deny that he was a hero? That all the good he has done was meaningless because he could make sparks shoot from a stick?
Let's be fair here. Hermione is the real heroIf it weren't for her, they wouldn't last 2 days.
So true. I always wanted Hermione to turn evil. She's too smart to remain shackled down by those two hicks she calls friends. She should have turned to the Dark Arts and apprenticed herself to Voldemort, killed Bellatrix, and ended the series by mind-controlling Ron into being her lover with the Imperius Curse, killed Harry, and overthrown Voldemort.
So true. I always wanted Hermione to turn evil. She's too smart to remain shackled down by those two hicks she calls friends. She should have turned to the Dark Arts and apprenticed herself to Voldemort, killed Bellatrix, and ended the series by mind-controlling Ron into being her lover with the Imperius Curse, killed Harry, and overthrown Voldemort.
I think Dumbledore is the most heroic. It was his grand planning that ended up saving the Wizarding World. If it wasn't for that, neither Harry, nor Hermione could have done what they did.
Don't Harry and Dumbledore have this same conversation at the end of DH? lol. Sure, he caused a lot of bad, but that doesn't make him any less heroic for what he did, and what he became.As much responsibility he has for the good that has happened, he is also responsible for the bad.
Sounds to me like you spent too much, or not enough, time on fanfiction.net.
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