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Harris Slammed Over Disastrous Solo Interview With Local Station

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I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Trump being a rambler and a bloviator does not preclude Harris from being a rambler and a bloviator.

You seem wholly incapable of judging Harris on her own merits without comparing her to Trump. I have no idea why.
If a 'news' outlet wants to a piece on typical politicians' rhetoric then go for it. It could be quite an interesting article comparing the likes of JFK v Bush v Thatcher v Obama v Churchill v the current two candidates. Get some input from some English professors. Make note of what they say and how they say it. It could be quite fascinating.

But they didn't do that. The obviously did a hit piece on Harris and all reasonable people are thinking 'Are you kidding me? Haven't you listened to her opponent at any time at all?'

Do a comparison by all means. And bring up any faults that Harris has during that comparison. But just doing it on her and completely ignoring the train wreck utterances of Trump completely nullifies any points they were trying to make.

I didn't think that I'd have to point this out. But if your guy is up against someone else, you push the things your guy is better at. He'll look better in comparison. And you avoid anything that will make your guy look bad in comparison. And you most definitely don't criticise the other guy about something at which your man is patently much, much worse. Because gee, as if it needs explaining, it highlights his own shortcomings.

Is any of this going to change the views of those who have already decided which way to vote? Certainly not. But consider those who may be wavering. If you keep trying to claim that Harris is lousy at interviews or speeches, then those undecided voters will invariably do a mental comparison between the two. And as sure as night follows day, when it comes to the box marked 'rambling and incoherent', you know whose name they'll fill in next to it.
 
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This housing bill introduced by GOP Senators looks like it could be a good idea.
Looks like they're playing catch up. And why? from the link:

'Republican nominee Donald Trump has tended to tie housing to the larger issue of immigration when electing to comment on housing at all.'

As I said, he's never mentioned the topic. And the Republican platform has no detail on any proposal they are making at all. So he has no detail to give. And hardly anyone knows about it.

So to clarify, this was only proposed a week ago and is not the official Republican platform on which this election is being decided.
 
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Looks like they're playing catch up. And why? from the link:

'Republican nominee Donald Trump has tended to tie housing to the larger issue of immigration when electing to comment on housing at all.'

As I said, he's never mentioned the topic. And the Republican platform has no detail on any proposal they are making at all. So he has no detail to give. And hardly anyone knows about it.

So to clarify, this was only proposed a week ago and is not the official Republican platform on which this election is being decided.
In USA politics, history shows that the details in party platforms are often not something that the majority of voters actually do care about because most voters are not even very well educated about said details.
 
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In USA politics, history shows that the details in party platforms are often not something that the majority of voters actually do care about because most voters are not even very well educated about said details.
That's correct. If Harris says she'll do something to help the housing crisis then I'm basically happy with that. But I'd like to take it a little deeper by asking how. So she says she'll have 3 million new homes built in her first term. OK, that sounds good. But...maybe a little more? So she says the government will partner with builders to ensure that they are built. That's good - they'll encourage builders by some means to build on land that will be either acquired or released by either federal or state governments.

Do I need to go any deeper? Do I need to know how tax incentives to builders will work? How much they'll be depending on where the houses are built? What size houses they'll be? Is the infrastructure included in the costings? I mean, there are literally dozens of questions I could ask, but do I need to get that deep in the weeds on one single aspect of the election? From what I've been told, that box gets a tick. If the GOP wants me to change that to a cross then they have to do the work to persuade me that it's a bad idea.

Now imagine the enormous complexity involved in supporting the Ukraine. Is it even possible in the time before the election that every single detail could be explained to the satisfaction of everyone who wanted to know? At this stage, that's as much as I need to know. You're going to support them? Then that box is ticked.

I'm sure that this is the way that most people who are actually interested in actual policies view the election. Give me the basics, fill in some details and at some point I'll get to a point where I'll tick a box. It's then up to the opposition to change my mind.

Now let's compare that with what Trump has just talked about. He's going to deport 20,000 legal immigrants from Ohio. Why? How? He doesn't say, probably because he doesn't know. So if he doesn't know and I don't know then that box gets a cross. And he's going to deport 11 million immigrants from the US next year. From where? To where? How? With the approval of what countries? Using camps? The army? Is he going to fly them? Ship them? By road into Mexico and leave them there? Zero details. So that box gets a cross.

Then he says he's going to drop energy prices by 50%. Fifty? Wow, well I'll need some detail on that for sure. But...nothing.

And that's the way it works. Tell us what you want to do and give us some basic details on how you are going to do it.
 
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Didn't know about their housing plan? I'm not really surprised. Trump has never mentioned it in all the comments I've seen him make. Maybe he doesn't know about it either. Here's a quote from the link I gave earlier:

“The level of detail in the housing plan actually exceeds what you would normally expect from a campaign and is significantly more detailed than the Republican Party platform,” Dworkin said.'

There's a link to their platform there for you. And you say Harris is low in detail? Gimme a break...

Here is a link to the Republican Party Platform:

RNC2024-Platform.pdf

Here is what it says regarding Housing Affordability:

Housing Affordability
To help new home buyers, Republicans will reduce mortgage rates by slashing Inflation, open limited portions of Federal Lands to allow for new home construction, promote homeownership through Tax Incentives and support for first-time buyers, and cut unnecessary Regulations that raise housing costs.
Do you see anything in there about handing people $25k? Yeah, me neither.

So, I have no idea what either party's "plan" is.
 
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That's correct. If Harris says she'll do something to help the housing crisis then I'm basically happy with that.

Why? What kind of track record does Harris have that makes you confident she has the ability to do something about the housing crisis?
 
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If a 'news' outlet wants to a piece on typical politicians' rhetoric then go for it. It could be quite an interesting article comparing the likes of JFK v Bush v Thatcher v Obama v Churchill v the current two candidates. Get some input from some English professors. Make note of what they say and how they say it. It could be quite fascinating.

But they didn't do that. The obviously did a hit piece on Harris and all reasonable people are thinking 'Are you kidding me? Haven't you listened to her opponent at any time at all?'

Hmm. I see you classify yourself as a "reasonable" person. It would seem that in your estimation, "reasonable" people must engage in endelsss whataboutisms. I would beg to differ.

Do a comparison by all means. And bring up any faults that Harris has during that comparison. But just doing it on her and completely ignoring the train wreck utterances of Trump completely nullifies any points they were trying to make.

Why? Are you aware of the endless number of articles that only find fault with Trump and don't mention Harris at all?

I didn't think that I'd have to point this out. But if your guy is up against someone else,

You seem to keep forgetting that Trump is not "my guy".

you push the things your guy is better at.

I don't have a guy.

He'll look better in comparison. And you avoid anything that will make your guy look bad in comparison. And you most definitely don't criticise the other guy about something at which your man is patently much, much worse. Because gee, as if it needs explaining, it highlights his own shortcomings.

Or, a "reasonable" person could judge each candidate on their own merits, and not rely on, "Well, my candidate isn't nearly as bad as yours!" That's a real nifty way to excuse any faults and failures in your preferred candidate. Which is certainly your prerogative, but don't pretend that it is in any way objective and/or "reasonable".
 
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Do you see anything in there about handing people $25k? Yeah, me neither.

So, I have no idea what either party's "plan" is.
Why would they have anything about the Democratic plan? We have a lot more detail about what the Dems propose than the GOP, but if you think that neither party is crash hot on giving the details then the GOP is just as bad as the Dems. As far as you are concerned.

Let me know when Trump says anything at all about housing. Let me know what details he gives. Anything to counter what Harris has said. because what she has said gets a tick from me. As I said, I don't need to get into the weeds. So the GOP has to show what she proposes is wrong OR propose something better.

As I said, be sure to let me know how they'll do that.
 
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Why? What kind of track record does Harris have that makes you confident she has the ability to do something about the housing crisis?
Well, she'll have a lot of power when she becomes president. One of the things she might do is put someone in charge of housing who does have a track record on this matter:


'Governor Tim Walz today signed into law the $1 billion housing omnibus bill, the largest single investment in housing in state history. The bill will help construct new housing with a focus on units in Greater Minnesota, reducing homeownership disparities, and expanding access to rental assistance.'
 
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Or, a "reasonable" person could judge each candidate on their own merits, and not rely on, "Well, my candidate isn't nearly as bad as yours!" That's a real nifty way to excuse any faults and failures in your preferred candidate. Which is certainly your prerogative, but don't pretend that it is in any way objective and/or "reasonable".
I keep having to explain this: You are selecting between two people. You are choosing, in your opinion, which is the better. You are drawing comparisons between the two to enable you to make that choice.

Now bearing that in mind, please go back and read what I wrote in the post that you quoted.
 
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Why would they have anything about the Democratic plan?

You said their plans were "pretty much the same". That's simply not true.

We have a lot more detail about what the Dems propose than the GOP, but if you think that neither party is crash hot on giving the details then the GOP is just as bad as the Dems. As far as you are concerned.

Yes. Both parties are scant on details. That should make everyone skeptical. But I suppose when one pledges loyalty to a candidate, as long as it sounds good, it doesn't matter if it's feasible.

Let me know when Trump says anything at all about housing. Let me know what details he gives. Anything to counter what Harris has said. because what she has said gets a tick from me. As I said, I don't need to get into the weeks. So the GOP has to show what she proposes is wrong OR propose something better.

As I said, be sure to let me know how they'll do that.

This is a weird take. Harris hasn't given any details at all, other than just handing people $25k, which will drive demand and prices up. We have no idea who will qualify for this assistance. You're just accepting it blindly because the Republicans have even fewer details. I suppose that's a choice, but you'd think you'd want to know if what Harris proposes is realistic or just an empty promise.

Ah well. To you as long as they say something that sounds good, the practical implementation and benefit to society and the economy really doesn't matter. At least they have a few more details than the Republicans.

I don't understand why you refuse to judge things on their own merits and insist on comparisons. It's probably because you know that the plan Harris has proposed doesn't really stand on its own merit. But hey, at least it's better than the empty words in the Republican platform.

Personally, I don't think either party has a plan to address the housing crisis. They're both just saying things. And the party loyalists lap it up.
 
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Well, she'll have a lot of power when she becomes president. One of the things she might do is put someone in charge of housing who does have a track record on this matter:


'Governor Tim Walz today signed into law the $1 billion housing omnibus bill, the largest single investment in housing in state history. The bill will help construct new housing with a focus on units in Greater Minnesota, reducing homeownership disparities, and expanding access to rental assistance.'

Really? A press release from Governor Walz's office?

Economists will debate whether such programs provide effective assistance to homebuyers, or simply fuel higher home prices by subsidizing them for buyers. But for voters who approve of the Biden-Harris housing agenda, Walz will bring a track record of similar policy achievements.
 
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This is a weird take. Harris hasn't given any details at all, other than just handing people $25k, which will drive demand and prices up.
I'm tired of explaining this, so I won't again.
At least they have a few more details than the Republicans
Exactly. My point all along.
I don't understand why you refuse to judge things on their own merits and insist on comparisons.
Because it's a choice between two people! Between two parties. How on god's little blue planet do you decide which will be better for the US without making a comparison? Good grief...it's common sense.

As I said, you judge each plan from each candidate on it's merit and then compare them.
Personally, I don't think either party has a plan to address the housing crisis
Really? So the Democrats don't have a plan. But the plan they don't have has more details.
 
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Really? A press release from Governor Walz's office?
Yeah. Why not? I'm showing you he has the runs on the board. You wanted to know who might have a track record and I gave you one. Harris has her wing man who has been doing this type of thing. He's the ideal guy.

So they have a plan. They have the basic details. And they have a guy who has done this thing through in his state from start to finish. That box is most definitely ticked.
 
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Here is a link to the Republican Party Platform:

Housing Affordability
To help new home buyers, Republicans will reduce mortgage rates by slashing Inflation,

High interest rates are the primary tool for cutting inflation at the moment. What they're describing isn't really a thing unless they plan on tacking inflation by other means like raising taxes.

open limited portions of Federal Lands to allow for new home construction

Is that really a problem?

, promote homeownership through Tax Incentives and support for first-time buyers, and cut unnecessary Regulations that raise housing costs.
Do you see anything in there about handing people $25k? Yeah, me neither.

What do you think "support for first-time buyers" means? That's exactly what Harris' $25k plan is - "support for first-time buyers".
 
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What do you think "support for first-time buyers" means?
Maybe Trump will stand outside the realtor's office when someone buys their first home and shout "Yay! Good for you!!"

-- A2SG, maybe he'll even let JD Vance help them move....he can carry the sofa in....

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The number/percentage of questions on which he drifted off-topic is quantifiable and objective. And is is greater in this interview than is was in the Harris interview in the OP.

We must have read a different transcript because everything I read was on topic. In fact most of his answers are very short so there is no room to drift of topic. The interviewers seem to talk more than Trump.


Is this all Kamala Harris supporters have? A "Well, Trump does is more" argument? It is a testament to what a horrible candidate Harris is that her supporters can't defend her without deflecting to Trump. If she was an actual good candidate her supporters would be able to defend her on her own merits. These Trump does it more arguments are basically damning Kamala with faint praise.
 
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We must have read a different transcript because everything I read was on topic.

I think we have differing standards for what constitutes "on topic."
 
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I'm tired of explaining this, so I won't again.

Good. I'm tired of listening to it.

Because it's a choice between two people! Between two parties. How on god's little blue planet do you decide which will be better for the US without making a comparison? Good grief...it's common sense.

I get it. You need that comparison to make your points. Discussing a candidate or a candidate's plans and policies based on their own merit is, apparently, impossible for you.

Really? So the Democrats don't have a plan. But the plan they don't have has more details.

I think it's more accurate to say they have a goal. The details of the "plan" they have shared will almost certainly drive housing prices up. Not sure how that "helps" the housing crisis.
 
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