Happy Thanksgiving -- The Pilgrims Were CALVINISTS

drstevej · Nov 23, 2011

John Robinson was the teaching pastor of the congregation we call the Pilgrims. He never made it to the New World but the congregation still viewed him as their pastor until his death in 1625.

He was a capable defender of the doctrines of grace.

As you celebrate Thanksgiving and discuss the Pilgrims... remember -- they were Calvinists.

…to conceive that God doth anything, in time, which he did not from eternity purpose to do as he doth it, is derogatory to his infinite wisdom and power: and, indeed, to deny him to be God, and to make him finite: in whom there is a change wrought, and a beginning, and growth of counsels

Not that God draws men, as horses draw a cart, or by any violence, or compulsion against, or without their will; but he makes them by the inward work of his Spirit, joined with the outward word, of unwilling, willing; effectually driving away ignorance and rebellion, and so enlightening the mind, as to assent, and the will, to consent.

God’s actual choosing therefore goes before our actual faith, holiness, repentance, and obedience, as the cause: and follows, then, not as an effect, as they mis-judge.
…these men will make God begin at the other end, and choose men because they are an holy and peculiar people, that is, having faith and repentance going before

That Adam had, as well, freedom of the will after, as before his fall, is as true as that he was a man after, as before. For take away will from a man, and he ceaseth to be a man: and take away freedom of the will, in that which it willeth, and it ceaseth to be will. But here is the difference, that the same natural power of free will, which before was rightly ordered, and disposed only to good actually, though changeably, was afterwards corrupted, disordered, and clean contrarily disposed, til by supernatural grace, it was rectified and renewed.

We therefore conclude with the apostle, that God works in us both the will and the deed: not only by his word working on us, but by his Spirit working in us: not only by sending Paul to plant, by propounding strong arguments of persuasion, but also by giving the increase by the most effectual work of his Spirit, enlightening the eyes of the understanding to see the force of those arguments, opening the heart to attend to them, and so writing them in the same heart, and most inward parts, as they cannot be blotted out.

For citations see: "The Soteriology of John Robinson, Pilgrim Pastor and Advocate of the Reformed Faith." Stephen M. Johnson, Westminster Theological Journal [Spring 1982].

cygnusx1 · Nov 23, 2011

Amen brother Steve !

Apologetic_Warrior · Nov 23, 2011

Happy Thanksgiving!

AndOne · Nov 23, 2011

Amen - Happy Thanksgiving! The pilgrims were Calvinists indeed!! Hope all of my arminian friends remember that while they are eating turkey tomorrow....

Edial · Nov 23, 2011

Happy Thanksgiving from the Lutherans.

We got the beer ...

AndOne · Nov 23, 2011

Edial said:
Happy Thanksgiving from the Lutherans.

We got the beer ...

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The pilgrims drank more beer than they did water...

Edial · Nov 23, 2011

Behe's Boy said:
The pilgrims drank more beer than they did water...

That proves the Pilgrims were Lutherans.

The proof is in the Beer.
Proverbs 32:12

AndOne · Nov 23, 2011

Edial said:
That proves the Pilgrims were Lutherans.
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The proof is in the Beer.
Proverbs 32:12
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Luterans who not only drank beer but believed in limited atonement apparently...

someguy14 · Nov 23, 2011

Happy Thanksgiving.

Edial · Nov 23, 2011

Behe's Boy said:
Luterans who not only drank beer but believed in limited atonement apparently...

Yeah ... beer makes you do that ...
Then they wake up in the morning and start confessing.

SeraphimsCherub · Nov 24, 2011

Amen... Happy Thanks Giving all my brother's,and sister's!: clap:

NO WONDER ALL THEM PILGRIMS HAD SUCH STRONG "FAITH IN GOD" TO CROSS THAT 3,000 MILE OCEAN!!! Thank GOD THEIR FAITH WASN'T ROOTED IN THEIR OWN "FREE-WILLS"! FOR HAD IT BEEN, THEY WOULD HAVE TURNED BACK AROUND AS SOON AS THE FIRST STORM CAME DOWN UPON THEM! LOL....

Blessing's...
SC

AndOne · Nov 24, 2011

Edial said:
Yeah ... beer makes you do that ...

Ah - proves they weren't Luteran after all - the pilgrims could hold their beer...

Edial · Nov 24, 2011

Behe's Boy said:
Ah - proves they weren't Luteran after all - the pilgrims could hold their beer...

We can hold our beer ...

AndOne · Nov 24, 2011

Edial said:
We can hold our beer ...

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Silly wabbit - those are Catholics - not Luterans...

Edial · Nov 24, 2011

Behe's Boy said:
Silly wabbit - those are Catholics - not Luterans...

These are ours ...

Besides, Lutherans are not Protestants, but Evangelical catholics.

AndOne · Nov 24, 2011

Edial said:
Besides, Lutherans are not Protestants, but Evangelical catholics.

I don't care...

Happy Thanksgiving - enjoy celebrating God's blessings to a group of Calvinists!

Edial · Nov 24, 2011

Behe's Boy said:
I don't care...

Happy Thanksgiving - enjoy celebrating God's blessings to a group of Calvinists!

MarkRohfrietsch · Nov 24, 2011

Edial said:
Happy Thanksgiving from the Lutherans.

We got the beer ...

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...and free will!

Edial said:
These are ours ...

Besides, Lutherans are not Protestants, but Evangelical catholics.

Indeed we are!

Behe's Boy said:
I don't care...

Happy Thanksgiving - enjoy celebrating God's blessings to a group of Calvinists!

Happy Thanksgiving to all; Calvinists included!

In Canada, we celebrated last month; our thanksgiving is the "Harvest Festival" appointed in the rubrics of the historic liturgy, which pre-dates Calvinism by many centuries. My ancestors came over here for many of the same reasons; religious freedom and searching for prosperity and peace; for the most part, we found it! Thanks be to God!

ConsumedByHisCall · Nov 24, 2011

drstevej said:
John Robinson was the teaching pastor of the congregation we call the Pilgrims...As you celebrate Thanksgiving and discuss the Pilgrims... remember -- they were Calvinists.

1. General Baptists (non-Calvinists) were also among the Pilgrims. It is just like a Calvinist to only see the part of history that supports his views.

2. John Robinson also supported infant baptism, but just as most Calvinists have grown to correct that error maybe they will continue to grow and correct the rest of his error.

drstevej · Nov 24, 2011

ConsumedByHisCall said:
1. General Baptists (non-Calvinists) were also among the Pilgrims. It is just like a Calvinist to only see the part of history that supports his views.

I said the Pilgrims were Calvinists. John Robinson, the pastor of the congregation that decided to relocate in the New World was a Calvinist and a defender of the Synod of Dort.

Please document there were General Baptists among them. The only General Baptists of the era were the congregations of Helwys and Murton in the London area. None of these went with the Pilgrims. In fact, they had split from Robinson when they embraced believer's baptism and they opposed Robinson's Calvinism in print

And as to your cheap shot, I have not ignored history. My article, The Soteriology of John Robinson is published in the Westminster Journal and documents my statements above.

Care to retract?

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