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Happy St Patrick's Day

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I'm celebrating by reading about Irish missionary Amy Carmichael.

Here's a quick wiki article if you're unfamiliar with her.

The book is by Elisabeth Elliot-funny thing is I bought it a few days ago a day after I bought a book by Thomas Howard (Evangelical is not Enough-about a guy raised protestant but converted to catholicism). Turns out the authors are brother and sister...:cool:
 

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I'm celebrating by reading about Irish missionary Amy Carmichael.

Here's a quick wiki article if you're unfamiliar with her.

The book is by Elisabeth Elliot-funny thing is I bought it a few days ago a day after I bought a book by Thomas Howard (Evangelical is not Enough-about a guy raised protestant but converted to catholicism). Turns out the authors are brother and sister...:cool:

And did you know that Elisabeth Elliot is the widow of one of the missionaries killed by the Yanomami (sp?) in the Amazon back in the '50s?

Mary
 
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And did you know that Elisabeth Elliot is the widow of one of the missionaries killed by the Yanomami (sp?) in the Amazon back in the '50s?

Mary

Yup, she was one of the first "famous" Christians I got to know. I used to listen to her on the radio everyday back when Christian radio was allowed in our workplace.
 
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As a woman, I have a hard time with Elisabeth Elliot's teachings, because she teaches that the way things were for women in the 1950's (when she was a young woman) are the only acceptable way for Christian women to live today. Sometimes she even seems bitter about women having more open opportunities today. Funny thing is, she doesn't live the way she talks.

She's a good writer when she does biographies and such, but I have a hard time respecting her when she writes or speaks about women's issues.

St Patirck's life was pretty exciting. Maybe next year you can celebrate St Patrick's day by reading a book about him? ;)
 
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As a woman, I have a hard time with Elisabeth Elliot's teachings, because she teaches that the way things were for women in the 1950's (when she was a young woman) are the only acceptable way for Christian women to live today. Sometimes she even seems bitter about women having more open opportunities today. Funny thing is, she doesn't live the way she talks.

She's a good writer when she does biographies and such, but I have a hard time respecting her when she writes or speaks about women's issues.

St Patirck's life was pretty exciting. Maybe next year you can celebrate St Patrick's day by reading a book about him? ;)

I read this one not too long ago-and it's by a mennonite guy

Let Me Die in Ireland by David Bercot
 
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Looks good.

I read Patrick, The Mythology and the Man. I can't remember the author's name. But it talked about basically the same things, I would guess. Patrick was from what we would call England today, that his culture was heavily influenced by the Roman invaders, that he became a Christian by listening to a missionary, that he had been enslaved and taken to Ireland, and when he escaped, he studied the sacred writings of the Christians (now known as the Bible), then went back to bring salvation to the people who had enslaved him.
 
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Interestingly he's the only Christian to have an official holiday

He is? I thought all the saints had a day. :confused:

though it's generally given over to debauchery and drunkeness.

Guess it would be educational to find out what used to be done in celebration?

It used to be a day to feast, eat sweets, bring out the best wine, have your friends over for dinner, give small gifts. I remember reading a booklet about it, printed in the early 1800's, that had recipes for traditional foods for the various saints' days. It also described traditional celebrations for the saints. They all started with going to church and they all seemed to end with waking up with a hangover.

The recipes would be uncookable today because we don't have the same kinds of ingredients they did back then. For instance, one of the recipes for a cake for easter called for 1 pound of lard, a pound of foale sugar, which was apparently a raw sugar mixed with molassas, black rum, goose eggs, and something called rasca. I don't know where you'd find those things today. I haven't even seen lard sold at stores in a long time.

Anyway, it seems that every saint had his/her own kind of punch with lots of some kind of booze. Saint's days seem to have been drinking occasions for a long time.

I found this in an old cookbook from my grandmother's things. The printing date is 1856.

St Theresa's punch:
5 quarts mulberry wine
1 quart boiling sugar syrup
2 sliced lemons
2 sliced oranges
1 quart cream, whipped

Combine wine and syrup. Add lemons and oranges. Keep on ice overnight. Float a spoonful of whipped cream on each cup.

Sounds refreshing, but very alcoholic. Feasts and spirits have gone together since ancient days. It shouldn't surprise us that they still go together. And unfortunately, intoxication and debachery go together, too, because being drunk lowers a person's resistence to immorality.
 
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Here's the life of St. Patrick from the OCA site:

Troparion & Kontakion

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Commemorated on March 17

Saint Patrick, the Enlightener of Ireland was born around 385, the son of Calpurnius, a Roman decurion (an official responsible for collecting taxes). He lived in the village of Bannavem Taberniae, which may have been located at the mouth of the Severn River in Wales. The district was raided by pirates when Patrick was sixteen, and he was one of those taken captive. He was brought to Ireland and sold as a slave, and was put to work as a herder of swine on a mountain identified with Slemish in Co. Antrim. During his period of slavery, Patrick acquired a proficiency in the Irish language which was very useful to him in his later mission.

He prayed during his solitude on the mountain, and lived this way for six years. He had two visions. The first told him he would return to his home. The second told him his ship was ready. Setting off on foot, Patrick walked two hundred miles to the coast. There he succeeded in boarding a ship, and returned to his parents in Britain.

Some time later, he went to Gaul and studied for the priesthood at Auxerre under St Germanus (July 31). Eventually, he was consecrated as a bishop, and was entrusted with the mission to Ireland, succeeding St Palladius (July 7). St Palladius did not achieve much success in Ireland. After about a year he went to Scotland, where he died in 432.

Patrick had a dream in which an angel came to him bearing many letters. Selecting one inscribed "The Voice of the Irish," he heard the Irish entreating him to come back to them.

Although St Patrick achieved remarkable results in spreading the Gospel, he was not the first or only missionary in Ireland. He arrived around 432 (though this date is disputed), about a year after St Palladius began his mission to Ireland. There were also other missionaries who were active on the southeast coast, but it was St Patrick who had the greatest influence and success in preaching the Gospel of Christ. Therefore, he is known as "The Enlightener of Ireland."

His autobiographical Confession tells of the many trials and disappointments he endured. Patrick had once confided to a friend that he was troubled by a certain sin he had committed before he was fifteen years old. The friend assured him of God's mercy, and even supported Patrick's nomination as bishop. Later, he turned against him and revealed what Patrick had told him in an attempt to prevent his consecration. Many years later, Patrick still grieved for his dear friend who had publicly shamed him.

St Patrick founded many churches and monasteries across Ireland, but the conversion of the Irish people was no easy task. There was much hostility, and he was assaulted several times. He faced danger, and insults, and he was reproached for being a foreigner and a former slave. There was also a very real possibility that the pagans would try to kill him. Despite many obstacles, he remained faithful to his calling, and he baptized many people into Christ.

The saint's Epistle to Coroticus is also an authentic work. In it he denounces the attack of Coroticus' men on one of his congregations. The Breastplate (Lorica) is also attributed to St Patrick. In his writings, we can see St Patrick's awareness that he had been called by God, as well as his determination and modesty in undertaking his missionary work. He refers to himself as "a sinner," "the most ignorant and of least account," and as someone who was "despised by many." He ascribes his success to God, rather than to his own talents: "I owe it to God's grace that through me so many people should be born again to Him."

By the time he established his episcopal See in Armargh in 444, St Patrick had other bishops to assist him, many native priests and deacons, and he encouraged the growth of monasticism.

St Patrick is often depicted holding a shamrock, or with snakes fleeing from him. He used the shamrock to illustrate the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Its three leaves growing out of a single stem helped him to explain the concept of one God in three Persons. Many people now regard the story of St Patrick driving all the snakes out of Ireland as having no historical basis.

St Patrick died on March 17, 461 (some say 492). There are various accounts of his last days, but they are mostly legendary. Muirchu says that no one knows the place where St Patrick is buried. St Columba of Iona (June 9) says that the Holy Spirit revealed to him that Patrick was buried at Saul, the site of his first church. A granite slab was placed at his traditional grave site in Downpatrick in 1899.

I also love the Lorica of St. Patrick:


I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through a belief in the Threeness,
Through confession of the Oneness
Of the Creator of creation.

I arise today
Through the strength of Christ's birth and His baptism,
Through the strength of His crucifixion and His burial,
Through the strength of His resurrection and His ascension,
Through the strength of His descent for the judgment of doom.

I arise today
Through the strength of the love of cherubim,
In obedience of angels,
In service of archangels,
In the hope of resurrection to meet with reward,
In the prayers of patriarchs,
In preachings of the apostles,
In faiths of confessors,
In innocence of virgins,
In deeds of righteous men.

I arise today
Through the strength of heaven;
Light of the sun,
Splendor of fire,
Speed of lightning,
Swiftness of the wind,
Depth of the sea,
Stability of the earth,
Firmness of the rock.

I arise today
Through God's strength to pilot me;
God's might to uphold me,
God's wisdom to guide me,
God's eye to look before me,
God's ear to hear me,
God's word to speak for me,
God's hand to guard me,
God's way to lie before me,
God's shield to protect me,
God's hosts to save me
From snares of the devil,
From temptations of vices,
From every one who desires me ill,
Afar and anear,
Alone or in a mulitude.

I summon today all these powers between me and evil,
Against every cruel merciless power that opposes my body and soul,
Against incantations of false prophets,
Against black laws of pagandom,
Against false laws of heretics,
Against craft of idolatry,
Against spells of women and smiths and wizards,
Against every knowledge that corrupts man's body and soul.
Christ shield me today
Against poison, against burning,
Against drowning, against wounding,
So that reward may come to me in abundance.

Christ with me, Christ before me, Christ behind me,
Christ in me, Christ beneath me, Christ above me,
Christ on my right, Christ on my left,
Christ when I lie down, Christ when I sit down,
Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
Christ in the mouth of every man who speaks of me,
Christ in the eye that sees me,
Christ in the ear that hears me.

I arise today
Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
Through a belief in the Threeness,
Through a confession of the Oneness
Of the Creator of creation

St. Patrick (ca. 377)
 
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He is? I thought all the saints had a day. :confused:

Well yeah, but not nationally recognized and written on every calendar that everyone's heard of. Ask the average guy (including the average Catholic) on the street for the saint's day for St Maximillian Kolbe and they're eyes will glaze over.^_^



It used to be a day to feast, eat sweets, bring out the best wine, have your friends over for dinner, give small gifts. I remember reading a booklet about it, printed in the early 1800's, that had recipes for traditional foods for the various saints' days. It also described traditional celebrations for the saints. They all started with going to church and they all seemed to end with waking up with a hangover.

The recipes would be uncookable today because we don't have the same kinds of ingredients they did back then. For instance, one of the recipes for a cake for easter called for 1 pound of lard, a pound of foale sugar, which was apparently a raw sugar mixed with molassas, black rum, goose eggs, and something called rasca. I don't know where you'd find those things today. I haven't even seen lard sold at stores in a long time.

Anyway, it seems that every saint had his/her own kind of punch with lots of some kind of booze. Saint's days seem to have been drinking occasions for a long time.

I found this in an old cookbook from my grandmother's things. The printing date is 1856.

St Theresa's punch:
5 quarts mulberry wine
1 quart boiling sugar syrup
2 sliced lemons
2 sliced oranges
1 quart cream, whipped

Combine wine and syrup. Add lemons and oranges. Keep on ice overnight. Float a spoonful of whipped cream on each cup.

Sounds refreshing, but very alcoholic. Feasts and spirits have gone together since ancient days. It shouldn't surprise us that they still go together. And unfortunately, intoxication and debachery go together, too, because being drunk lowers a person's resistence to immorality.
:sick: Sounds kinda blech to me, even if the liquor was left out. Wonder what these saints would say to their being recognized in such a way:doh:
 
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