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Happiness or Truth?

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My contention is that we wouldn't want truth unless we secretly thought that the more truth we have, the happier we are.

Why should we think this? What if the more we realized truths, the more comprehensive our understanding of reality became (of ourselves, other people, the world, God or the lack of God), the more we realized how bad things really are?

It seems like we have a sort of faith-based optimism that at the end of the road of truth good things are in store. Otherwise, why would we equate truth with happiness; that is, consider truth the ultimate good?
 

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My contention is that we wouldn't want truth unless we secretly thought that the more truth we have, the happier we are.

Why should we think this? What if the more we realized truths, the more comprehensive our understanding of reality became (of ourselves, other people, the world, God or the lack of God), the more we realized how bad things really are?

It seems like we have a sort of faith-based optimism that at the end of the road of truth good things are in store. Otherwise, why would we equate truth with happiness; that is, consider truth the ultimate good?
Building your life around a sweet lie is a very shacky foundation. I would rather build my life around the truth; even if it is a bitter truth.

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I would not really view truth as bringing happiness. For me, truth has brought much pain, humility and the need for a Saviour. The truth hurts.

But the truth brought upon by realizing there is a savior has presumably brought more joy and happiness because of this, right?
 
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Building your life around a sweet lie is a very shacky foundation. I would rather build my life around the truth; even if it is a bitter truth.

Ken

The question is why? And what makes building a life around a sweet lie shaky? That is, why is it that pursuing truth as a general course of action brings with it happiness?
 
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But the truth brought upon by realizing there is a savior has presumably brought more joy and happiness because of this, right?

No, I would not say joy so much as peaceful contentment. My only "joy" is that I have salvation in Jesus. And happiness has little to do with religion. In fact, there are seven major contributors to happiness, and only one of them is "spirituality" (no matter what "religion" it is). And a combination of the 7 contributors only contributes to 40% of our happiness levels. So...I'd say that the correlation between happiness and religion is there, but it is marginal.

I do not pursue my faith in order to find happiness - it is a contributor, but not the only contributor.
 
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My contention is that we wouldn't want truth unless we secretly thought that the more truth we have, the happier we are.

Well, unfortunately "truths" have a habit of forcing themselves upon us - no matter how much we like or dislike them.

Religion, however, is a different issue altogether. You are free to believe in whatever makes you happy, and you can be sure it won´t be proven wrong (unless, of course, you expect the entities of your preference to interact with this life in a certain manner).

Why should we think this? What if the more we realized truths, the more comprehensive our understanding of reality became (of ourselves, other people, the world, God or the lack of God), the more we realized how bad things really are?
Facts are one thing, your valuations of those facts are another.
But, of course, when it comes to ideas about beyond-realms and such (where our power of imagination can float freely, without the risk of being proven wrong by facts), why would you adopt an inconvenient belief? That´s why I am quite confident that such beliefs tell us more about the believers and their mindsets than about "truths".
It seems like we have a sort of faith-based optimism that at the end of the road of truth good things are in store. Otherwise, why would we equate truth with happiness; that is, consider truth the ultimate good?
I have never understood why you guys are so obsessed with "truth" (in various degrees of capitalization).
Now, "facts" would be a different cup of tea.
And cognitive dissonance yet another.
 
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My contention is that we wouldn't want truth unless we secretly thought that the more truth we have, the happier we are.

Many people may be like that, but not me. I'd prefer an unpleasant truth to a comforting lie.

What if the more we realized truths, the more comprehensive our understanding of reality became (of ourselves, other people, the world, God or the lack of God), the more we realized how bad things really are?

What about that? Yes, I would want to know how bad things really are.

It seems like we have a sort of faith-based optimism that at the end of the road of truth good things are in store.

I don't believe that we live in a nightmarish universe, but it's not faith-based optimism to think that if you are going to deal with such a universe, you will at least need facts to fuel your thinking. That doesn't guarantee that "good things are in store", but it's the only sound and honest policy. A life of ignorant bliss in a nightmarish universe is just a fantasy, a drug, and I would not want to live my life that way.

Given the choice between living an uncomfortable life aware of reality, and living inside of a machine that obliterates awareness of unpleasant facts and that generates pleasant fantasies and merely simulates a happy life, I'd choose the uncomfortable life for its reality. I'm not saying that an occasional escape to the holodeck for a little play is a bad thing, but that doesn't involve self-deception.

Otherwise, why would we equate truth with happiness; that is, consider truth the ultimate good?

I don't literally equate truth with happiness, or consider truth the ultimate good. At best, truth is means, but virtues such as honesty, integrity, and rationality (all anti self-deception) are aspects of the ultimate end of personal flourishing. To prefer delusion to reality is to be a malfunctioning human being, IMV.

My point may be expressed as follows. Putting aside any purely instrumental value of truth in which one might imagine that truth is optional in the pursuit of happiness -- only to be valued when it appears useful -- my view is that there are truth-seeking virtues that are constitutive means of personal flourishing. A constitutive means is not merely a preliminary to some end, but is an aspect or part of that end. The end is in part characterized by the activities used to bring it about. IMV, rationality is an essential aspect of the end of human flourishing (which is not merely feelings of happiness). That means that while a rational person might discover a fact so unpleasant (e.g. Cthulhu's real existence) that the full flower of flourishing would be rendered impossible due to great fear, this is still preferable to people who would shrink away from the reality and attempt to deceive themselves in order to make themselves "happy", which negates flourishing at its root.


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The question is why? And what makes building a life around a sweet lie shaky? That is, why is it that pursuing truth as a general course of action brings with it happiness?
If you build your life around a sweet lie, you may come to a point when you have to deal with the truth because the truth represents reality and you will be unprepared for it. If you build your life around the truth, you will be prepared for anything.

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The question is why? And what makes building a life around a sweet lie shaky? That is, why is it that pursuing truth as a general course of action brings with it happiness?

Because truth has a way of asserting itself eventually, and knowing what it is gives you the power to deal with it ahead of time.
 
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My contention is that we wouldn't want truth unless we secretly thought that the more truth we have, the happier we are.

Why should we think this? What if the more we realized truths, the more comprehensive our understanding of reality became (of ourselves, other people, the world, God or the lack of God), the more we realized how bad things really are?

It seems like we have a sort of faith-based optimism that at the end of the road of truth good things are in store. Otherwise, why would we equate truth with happiness; that is, consider truth the ultimate good?

I'm not convinced that we want truth at all costs. I think we want justification more than truth. If truth does not justify what we want it to then we will look for or create an alternate "truth". To desire truth for truth's sake has to be a gift from God.
 
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Has anyone determined exactly what the Bible states "The Truth" is? I'm talking about a definitive statement.

Without that in hand, is anyone talking about the same thing?

Biblically truth is God himself, God's world, and our experiences of God's world. To know truth is to know all three.
 
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Interesting. Is that how the Bible states it?

We'll I suppose it depends on what you mean. "True" in one sense can only refer to a statement. Only propositions can be true or false. People also can be called "true" but this refers to their character, that they are reliable. True can also be use as an adjective like "he is a true friend." I think true here must mean real or genuine. So what are you asking when you're asking for "the truth"?
 
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