Handgun regulation

[tall73]

We have had a number of broad topics regarding gun control. This one is more focused on handguns.

Handguns are used in the vast majority of killings in the U.S. They are also far more practical for concealed carry for defense on the go.

Some areas for discussion:

How many would favor banning handguns entirely? After the 2008 Washington D.C. case a total ban would likely require a constitutional change.

"May-Issue", as opposed to "shall-issue" concealed carry regulations have already limited ability to carry in some jurisdictions. What structure do you prefer for concealed carry?

Should jurisdictions limit magazine capacity?

Should gun locks be required?

Should guns be required to be stored disassembled?

Would you prefer a handgun registry?

What, if any, limits would you consider?

For the poll question I am interested to see how many would favor a total handgun ban.

 

[HTacianas]

We have had a number of broad topics regarding gun control. This one is more focused on handguns.

Handguns are used in the vast majority of killings in the U.S. They are also far more practical for concealed carry for defense on the go.

Some areas for discussion:

-How many would favor banning handguns entirely? After the 2008 Washington D.C. case a total ban would likely require a constitutional change.

"May-Issue", as opposed to "shall issue" concealed carry regulations have already limited ability to carry in some jurisdictions. What structure do you prefer for concealed carry?

Should jurisdictions limit magazine capacity?

Should gun locks be required?

Should guns be required to be stored disassembled?

Would you prefer a handgun registry?

What, if any, limits would you consider?

For the poll question I am interested to see how many would favor a total handgun ban.

The gun control debate in the US is resolved. The boundary is at automatic weapons. I support that dividing line.

 

[dogs4thewin]

heck no handguns should NEVER be banned. The only guns that I think should be banned a military grade machine guns. That is to say guns that can be set to fire more than one round with a single pull of the trigger. This means no long guns bans handguns, nor even ars ( as long as they only fire one shot at a time) ONLY guns that fire two or more rounds with a single pull of the trigger.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The gun control debate in the US is resolved. The boundary is at automatic weapons. I support that dividing line.

Except that it is not resolved. If that were the case there would be no more discussion of gun laws.

 

[FenderTL5]

"handguns were made for killin' they ain't no good for nothin' else..
..So why don't we dump 'em people To the bottom of the sea,
before some ol' fool come around here Wanna shoot either you or me."

-Lynyrd Skynyrd-

Personally, I'm not in favor of banning inanimate objects. I do favor measures that favor responsible ownership and a means for disarming those who prove irresponsible.
That could include registration, training, license and insurance.

 

[dogs4thewin]

"handguns were made for killin' they ain't no good for nothin' else..
..So why don't we dump 'em people To the bottom of the sea,
before some ol' fool come around here Wanna shoot either you or me."

-Lynyrd Skynyrd-

Personally, I'm not in favor of banning inanimate objects. I do favor measures that favor responsible ownership and a means for disarming those who prove irresponsible.

Problem is how do we ensure that is not abused?

 

[FenderTL5]

Problem is how do we ensure that is not abused?

the same way we ensure anything is not abused; you can't with 100% accuracy.
You focus on what works and forgo what doesn't.

 

[dogs4thewin]

the same way we ensure anything is not abused; you can't with 100% accuracy.
You focus on what works and forgo what doesn't.

What kind of laws would be needed? Otherwise, all someone who did not like someone else would have to say is I do not believe this person should be permitted to carry.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Anyone feeling up to it, please feel free to come and take them. Front door is unlocked and has been since I moved to Michigan in 2008.

 

[Arcangl86]

Anyone feeling up to it, please feel free to come and take them. Front door is unlocked and has been since I moved to Michigan in 2008.

That is an impressive collection.

 

[RDKirk]

Except that it is not resolved. If that were the case there would be no more discussion of gun laws.

It's as resolved as integration and voting rights. And, yes, there are voices in Congress for repeal of those laws.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

I favor gun regulations similar to Japan's- at least in terms of what they require of gun owners.
Thorough background check.
Mental health evaluation.
Safety/gun handling course & test.
Verified gun safe.

 

[dogs4thewin]

It's as resolved as integration and voting rights. And, yes, there are voices in Congress for repeal of those laws.

Then is that really resolved? From what I gather from your posts you are old enough to know that there will always be people who wish to treat people they do not like for whatever reason like less than human and this can include taking rights and worse.

 

[RDKirk]

Anyone feeling up to it, please feel free to come and take them. Front door is unlocked and has been since I moved to Michigan in 2008.

And this is the reason why a ban would not work any more than Prohibition worked, or the 55mph national speed limit worked, or that the War on Drugs is working.

Government can't effectively ban anything that more than a tiny minority of the population wants. Even a real attempt would require Draconian police action that would abrogate four of the first five Amendments.

Unless you can get the majority to vote for abrogation of Amendments 1, 2, 3, and 5, talking about a gun ban is just blowing smoke up someone's petticoats.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I favor gun regulations similar to Japan's- at least in terms of what they require of gun owners.
Thorough background check.
Mental health evaluation.
Safety/gun handling course & test.
Verified gun safe.

The problem with such laws is that one things change and two if someone wants a gun they will get one. ( If not they will get something else with which to cause harm.

 

[RDKirk]

Then is that really resolved? From what I gather from your posts you are old enough to know that there will always be people who wish to treat people they do not like for whatever reason like less than human and this can include taking rights and worse.

That's what I meant.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That's what I meant.

so then nothing will ever be truly resolved and not up for some sort of "debate"?

 

[tall73]

"handguns were made for killin' they ain't no good for nothin' else..
..So why don't we dump 'em people To the bottom of the sea,
before some ol' fool come around here Wanna shoot either you or me."

-Lynyrd Skynyrd-

Personally, I'm not in favor of banning inanimate objects. I do favor measures that favor responsible ownership and a means for disarming those who prove irresponsible.

Irresponsible in what ways? Once they are irresponsible enough to cause injury it is a bit late. Are you carrying this over to other areas?

That could include registration, training, license and insurance.

What benefit to safety would registration bring?

What insurance company would carry such a risk? Intentional acts are not covered under policies anyway, and negligence with handguns could be a tough thing to rate.

There are programs that provide legal defense in the case of a defensive use. Is that what you mean?

 

[tall73]

Safety/gun handling course & test.

What would that look like? Would the government keep psychological screening info on a large percentage of the populace? If we have protection from unreasonable search and seizure, then why would we need to submit to searching of our thoughts to exercise a constitutional right?

Verified gun safe.

I am for safe storing. Some quick access safes keep the gun pretty accessible. But if there are no kids in the house, etc. is it necessary to have a safe? Is the concern stolen guns?

 

[tall73]

heck no handguns should NEVER be banned. The only guns that I think should be banned a military grade machine guns. That is to say guns that can be set to fire more than one round with a single pull of the trigger. This means no long guns bans handguns, nor even ars ( as long as they only fire one shot at a time) ONLY guns that fire two or more rounds with a single pull of the trigger.

I understand it is established law, but what is your constitutional rationale for banning automatic weapons?