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Ham's Creation Museum
Well, Ham's Creation Museum is open this weekend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/ar...=1&oref=slogin
What are people's thoughts on this?
its about time a more realistic model for the origins of life was put before the public................
Science isnt about origins anyway,,,its about what can be seen and observed and studied and tested.
This is a point that crops up continuously among creationists, and I think it is worth a thread all of its own. Confusion seems to reign among creationists with regards to the utility of science. On the one hand, they condemn origins science for trying to explain what they feel cannot be explained. On the other, institutions like AiG attempt to (mis)use science in order to make their 6-day creation model more believable. Then there's the late Henry Morris' rantings about evolution and creationism both being devoid of science, despite the fact that he titled one of his best-selling books Scientific Creationism. I am forever trying to understand the creationists' seemingly contradictory stance on science.But if those origins can be studied at tested, why should science deal with them? And doesn't this museum claim to be scientific anyway?
You asked, so here are a few of mine:Well, Ham's Creation Museum is open this weekend.
What are people's thoughts on this?
Here we go again, "evos" have carte blanche permission to call creationist LIARS, when in fact EVOLUTION is the lie and those who believe in are always calling God a liar. Promoting the truth of the Word of God is not promoting a lie.How is deceiving people honoring God? The U.S. already has a pathetic science education record as it is ( or any education record for that matter). Are we really honoring God by purposely trying to encourage people to not use their God given intelligence?
Is it any wonder we feel that way when people like Kent Hovind, the Creationist spokesperson gets sent to jail for lying to the IRS, or creationists like yourself who do nothing but drive by insults saying how evil evolutionists are?Here we go again, "evos" have carte blanche permission to call creationist LIARS, when in fact EVOLUTION is the lie and those who believe in are always calling God a liar. Promoting the truth of the Word of God is not promoting a lie.
Well I've said this often enough and I'll say this again. The Creation Museum is a huge waste of money. If they were sincere about actually doing science (instead of souping up creationism by giving it an already-peeling layer of scientism), this money would have gone to fund research groups, or to resettle allegedly persecuted scientists in new creationist facilities, or something else better. No other science in the history of science has ever tried, or had, to convince the public before it convinced the scientific community.
The perverse thing is that creation science is trying so hard to pretend to be science without actually being science.
Rather than fund real paleontologists, the money goes to create some fake ones.So dinosaur skeletons and brightly colored mineral crystals and images of the Grand Canyon are here, as are life-size dioramas showing paleontologists digging in mock earth, Moses and Paul teaching their doctrines, Martin Luther chastising the church to return to Scripture, Adam and Eve guiltily standing near skinned animals, covering their nakedness, and a supposedly full-size reproduction of a section of Noah’s ark.
We learn that chameleons, for example, change colors not because that serves as a survival mechanism, but “to ‘talk’ to other chameleons, to show off their mood, and to adjust to heat and light.”
What we're worried about is that evolution isn't being allowed to speak for itself in these cases. The creationists running this museum, for instance, are lying to their customers about evolution.5. If the evidence for "evolution" is so strong, then it can speak for itself without worry about the pillar of science crumbling.
Oh please.We learn that chameleons, for example, change colors not because that serves as a survival mechanism, but to talk to other chameleons, to show off their mood, and to adjust to heat and light.
3. My guess is, that they will be trying to reach the young impressionable minds. Since "evolution" is the doctrine taught in schools that's impressing those same minds, maybe this will bring a balance and give them something to think about.
... 5. If the evidence for "evolution" is so strong, then it can speak for itself without worry about the pillar of science crumbling.
4. Since it was funded by donated funds, why should anybody else worry about what it was spent on?
6. Why are some so worried about people convincing others that Biblical Creation is true? Why are they even worried about it? Are creationists an embarrassment to TE'st and are they worried about the association due to a common belief in God?
Actually, Howstuffworks has "The most famous color-changer, the chameleon, alters its skin color using a similar mechanism, but not usually for camouflaging purposes. Chameleons tend to change their skin color when their mood changes, not when they move into different surroundings." link I don't know if they have a citation for this, but the Creation Museum might just be right on this one.
It doesn't change the fact that the museum is trying to pretend like the scientific community asserts that chameleons change their colors as a form of camouflage. Nor does it change the fact that they're also trying to pretend that other color changing creatures who use it to hide themselves don't exist.Heh... go figure.
Learn something new every day.
Heyas,Well, Ham's Creation Museum is open this weekend.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/arts/24crea.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
What are people's thoughts on this?
Regarding the bold type above, how about some truth in the definition of Creationism?Biblical Creation is the belief that God created the heavens and the earth. That is not what the museum is promoting, which is creationism. Creationism is the belief that the Bible can only be true and authoritative if the creationist set of scientific theories about the Earth and life are true. And any museum which teaches kids "if scientific theory A is true, then the Bible is as well" will also teach them that "if scientific theory A is false, then the Bible is as well". And they will be answerable for that.
Sure. If your definition is better than mine, I'll gladly agree that I was wrong. So put one up.Regarding the bold type above, how about some truth in the definition of Creationism?
That sounds like a pretty solid description of creationism to me.Regarding the bold type above, how about some truth in the definition of Creationism?
It needs a caption competition.What are people's thoughts on this?
Sure. If your definition is better than mine, I'll gladly agree that I was wrong. So put one up.
shernren said:Creationism is the belief that the Bible can only be true and authoritative if the creationist set of scientific theories about the Earth and life are true.
I would add that a Creationist holds what Scripture says about the matter to be first and foremost a factual account. The creation "model" that one holds is based on their interpretation of Scripture. Any scientific theories then are looked at in light of that belief. To me, this is similar to an evolutionist looking at things with a belief in "naturalism" and/or "materialism".online dictionary said:Creationism: a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis.
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