Hamas said to accept Israeli presence in Gaza for hostage deal, reportedly sends list of hostages to be released

[Michie]

Hamas has conceded on two key Israeli demands in the negotiations over a hostage release and ceasefire deal, The Wall Street Journal reported.

Shortly thereafter, Axios said that Israel’s Mossad Director David Barnea had met with Qatar's prime minister in Doha on Wednesday, citing two officials who said that Hamas appeared to be open to implement the first stage of a potential deal.

For the first time, Hamas told mediators from Egypt and Qatar that it would agree to a deal that didn’t demand the immediate withdrawal of Israeli troops, instead allowing them to stay in the Gaza Strip during part of the agreement, according to WSJ.

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Hamas said to accept Israeli presence in Gaza for hostage deal, reportedly sends list of hostages to be released

Hamas has reportedly conceded on two key Israeli demands in the negotiations over a hostage release and ceasefire deal Israel s Mossad Director David Barnea met with Qatar s prime minister in Doha on

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[com7fy8]

appeared

I guess I need to read more about this. "Appeared" means nothing, in the case of Hamas, I would say. If they released the hostages, right now, that would mean something. And even then it could mean a trick, in order to keep Hamas operating in Gaza. I would say they should have no status in Gaza, at all. But who could do any better?

Israeli troops, instead allowing them to stay in the Gaza Strip during part of the agreement

"part" > so, Israel's troops are going to be required . . . by Hamas . . . to leave? I don't think so. Hamas is the one who has to leave.

 

[stevevw]

Hamas are beginning to crack. They know they are on their knees and soon to be completely eradictaed from Gaza. Just as a weasel does they play games right to the end until forced to do the right thing.

Don't trust them. They need to return the hostages as well as get out of Gaza. They know if they return the hostages but don't get out of Gaza that Isreal will continue with even more pressue to get them out.

So there's no deal with handing the hostages back unless Hamas also surrenders and gets out of Gaza. I reckon there are not many hostages left anyway to do any deals with. They are just playing games and who knows what they are up to.

But this consession is a sign Hamas are cracking and know their time is at hand. They know when Trump gets in that Isreal will have the full support of the US.

Assad and ISIS have fallen, other Hamas and Hezbolla heads have been taken out, Iran is being bombed and the radical Islamists are coping it from all sides. Their time is at end. They can keep going if they want but they will never win.

Push them all back to Iran and then isolate them as the terrorist they are and threat to peace in the world.

 

[com7fy8]

Push them all back to Iran and then isolate them as the terrorist they are and threat to peace in the world.

And if this happens, ones might fool themselves into thinking there will be peace in this world. If ones focus on Hamas as the major threat to peace, and then move Hamas out of the way . . . they can fool themselves. But . . . "of course" . . . there are other threats. When one gets put away . . . like the Allies taking down Nazi Germany . . . we now can see there always have been others waiting in line.

They took out Saddam, and lo and behold we find out that ISIS exists.

ISIS has been taken out, Osama bin Laden has been taken out. Well, actually ISIS still is making a try, and Al Qaeda still is operating.

It can be like if you squash a giant cockroach on your rug, you still will have the mush spattered around and squashed into your rug.

The squashed groups can be in diverse sleeper and nightmare cells in various places . . . perhaps bombing and killing, but not in some one area where they can be dealt with in an organized way.

And the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics came apart. But . . . now we have Vladimir doing maybe more aggressive stuff than the U.S.S.R. was doing. The whole U.S.S.R. backed down and retreated from Afghanistan; but Vladimir is not backing down because of losses much more than the U.S.S.R. suffered.

And you can kill many children by not bringing them up to be able to take care of themselves. In the United States, how many kids have died because they did not have the upbringing and character to say no to drugs? And how many have killed their own unborn, instead of first saying no to immoral men? Terrorists have not killed that many, as far as I know.

It might be easier to stand up to terrorists, than to our own personality problems. But with God it is possible.

 

[stevevw]

And if this happens, ones might fool themselves into thinking there will be peace in this world. If ones focus on Hamas as the major threat to peace, and then move Hamas out of the way . . . they can fool themselves. But . . . "of course" . . . there are other threats. When one gets put away . . . like the Allies taking down Nazi Germany . . . we now can see there always have been others waiting in line.

They took out Saddam, and lo and behold we find out that ISIS exists.

ISIS has been taken out, Osama bin Laden has been taken out. Well, actually ISIS still is making a try, and Al Qaeda still is operating.

It can be like if you squash a giant cockroach on your rug, you still will have the mush spattered around and squashed into your rug.

The squashed groups can be in diverse sleeper and nightmare cells in various places . . . perhaps bombing and killing, but not in some one area where they can be dealt with in an organized way.

And the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics came apart. But . . . now we have Vladimir doing maybe more aggressive stuff than the U.S.S.R. was doing. The whole U.S.S.R. backed down and retreated from Afghanistan; but Vladimir is not backing down because of losses much more than the U.S.S.R. suffered.

And you can kill many children by not bringing them up to be able to take care of themselves. In the United States, how many kids have died because they did not have the upbringing and character to say no to drugs? And how many have killed their own unborn, instead of first saying no to immoral men? Terrorists have not killed that many, as far as I know.

It might be easier to stand up to terrorists, than to our own personality problems. But with God it is possible.

Yes theres always another group in waiting or already brewing and ready to take over. But when we did deal with radicals in the past we never went on with it. We actually reneged and gave them support in the form of money to try and buy peace and it back fired.

What we see today is the result. It was always going to happen because we did not take seriously the threat. So really what is happening now is the cumination of this made worse.

Isreal has always been in the firing line and we had a break due to covid. But now Isreal says enough and now we must support them against these radicals and push them back to Iran and at the same time disarm Iran's weapons as they cannot be trusted. Then we may be back to where we should have been.

Its too late for true peace and these radicals will always try to destroy freedoms and peace. But we cannot just let them continue the way they are as they will use nuclear or chemical weapons against us.

 

[com7fy8]

We actually reneged and gave them support in the form of money to try and buy peace and it back fired.

I did not think of this . . . money the suicide weapon, maybe we could say, if it is given to Iran or Hamas or others. A lot of resources were invested, too, in Gaza, only to be used for terrorist tunnels and other items.

Possibly, Hamas is dangling the carrot (hostages) in front of the goat so the goat pulls the cart where Hamas wants it. So, I might offer certain things in exchange for the hostages, but I would not include Hamas staying in Gaza, and unless they obviously release hostages I would not stop going after Hamas except long enough to get hostages; then Hamas still has to get out, and tell them this pointblank. As long as ones dilly-dally in order to get hostages, Hamas can do much more killing and baiting Israel to kill a lot of Palestinians. So, trying to save hostage lives by delaying effective removal of Hamas could in fact cost many more lives.

 

[stevevw]

I did not think of this . . . money the suicide weapon, maybe we could say, if it is given to Iran or Hamas or others. A lot of resources were invested, too, in Gaza, only to be used for terrorist tunnels and other items.

Possibly, Hamas is dangling the carrot (hostages) in front of the goat so the goat pulls the cart where Hamas wants it. So, I might offer certain things in exchange for the hostages, but I would not include Hamas staying in Gaza, and unless they obviously release hostages I would not stop going after Hamas except long enough to get hostages; then Hamas still has to get out, and tell them this pointblank. As long as ones dilly-dally in order to get hostages, Hamas can do much more killing and baiting Israel to kill a lot of Palestinians. So, trying to save hostage lives by delaying effective removal of Hamas could in fact cost many more lives.

I would say the IDF are closing in on the last hiding places for Hamas so they are now panicking. They would have escaped out of Gaza but the IDF have blocked all escape routes so they are still somewhere within a tunnel in Gaza. But the IDF have systematically blocked all tunnels and are working their way towards the last hiding places.

The Left reneged on TRumps tough sanctions against Iran which was something we use to do to put pressure on those who committed terror. Instead they thought they could but the terrorist off to do the right thing. More or less reward them.

This has been the Lefts policy and ideology across most areas including law enforcement and within schools. Rather than get tough on misbehaviour and criminal behaviour they have rewarded bad behaviour. The idea is to try and coddle bad actors with reward incentives to do the right thing because they are the Party of love and inclusion.

But we all know that those who engage in bad behaviour know the system and will exploit this and the only thing they will respond to do the right thing is consequences for their behaviour.

But that isd what we have always done and it works and is in fact a reality of life. Do the wrong thing anmd there will be a price to pay. Its what actually keeps law and order. But somehow the Left have this idealistic view of reality which actually makes matters worse with policies like defunding police and appeasing terrorist. Even supporting them as victims.

 

[com7fy8]

panicking.

I would say the hardcores are suicidal and willing to lose anything in order to kill Jews. So, they will play-use however things go. But they will try to keep control so they can kill more. So, I would say the hardcores are not panicking.

Even so, we have been told how ISIS members got disillusioned and changed sides. Like this, not all Hamas guys might be so hardcore. And God can surprise us.

 

[stevevw]

I would say the hardcores are suicidal and willing to lose anything in order to kill Jews. So, they will play-use however things go. But they will try to keep control so they can kill more. So, I would say the hardcores are not panicking.

Even so, we have been told how ISIS members got disillusioned and changed sides. Like this, not all Hamas guys might be so hardcore. And God can surprise us.

Yes I have heard this that some Arabs opposed to Isreal are having a change of heart. I think every person has a conscience and can know the truth. Sometimes when people are faced with the reality of their choices they realise that its not what they expected. I would imagine living with all that hate and death it would get to some.

I think a change is coming and Hamas are at the crossroads as to whether they want to keep going to the end or surrender and get out of Gaza.

 

[com7fy8]

I think a change is coming and Hamas are at the crossroads as to whether they want to keep going to the end or surrender and get out of Gaza.

I think of how certain people in divorces can keep on doing what is hurting themselves and their children and they don't stop with their stubborn stuff.

But others can come to see their wrong stuff and even reconcile.

There are alcoholics who stop drinking, while others die in the gutter.

So, yes, there is hope for ones to change.

One criminal on his cross honored Jesus, the other didn't.

Love "hopes all things" > in 1 Corinthians 13:7.

 

[stevevw]

I think of how certain people in divorces can keep on doing what is hurting themselves and their children and they don't stop with their stubborn stuff.

But others can come to see their wrong stuff and even reconcile.

There are alcoholics who stop drinking, while others die in the gutter.

So, yes, there is hope for ones to change.

One criminal on his cross honored Jesus, the other didn't.

Love "hopes all things" > in 1 Corinthians 13:7.

Its like the IRA conflict that went on and on and made no sense. Sooner or later in the end both parties had to come together and turn the other cheeck and be willing to accept each other.

Otherwise it just cultivates hate and resentment which seeks revenge. I think eventually most people get sick of blowing each other up.

Though like you say, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I think the Gaza situation is a bit different to the IRA peace in that one side wants peace but the other doesn't. So you have to draw the line as to stopping the attacks by stopping the party who is not willing to accept peace.

 

[rambot]

Given thar nobody is happy with innocent citizens being killed in this conflict, once hamas is removed and thr gazan people have the option to return to their destroyed homeland, how much money would be appropriate to send to gazans citizens to begin rebuilding their homeland?

Or is the general consensus that Israelis should just move in?

 

[tampasteve]

Given thar nobody is happy with innocent citizens being killed in this conflict, once hamas is removed and thr gazan people have the option to return to their destroyed homeland, how much money would be appropriate to send to gazans citizens to begin rebuilding their homeland?

Not a penny. The Arab world can fund any recovery. Vast numbers of Gazan Arab "civilians" directly participated in the evils of October 7th as well as prior and subsequent events. To this hour most Arab "Palestinians" will support the terrorist organizations of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Or is the general consensus that Israelis should just move in?

Yes, that's the only way to have lasting peace and security. Any Arab "Palestinian" that is found to support terrorism should be expelled and the ones that remain can be educated and eventually integrated into the State of Israel.

 

[rambot]

Not a penny. The Arab world can fund any recovery. Vast numbers of Gazan Arab "civilians" directly participated in the evils of October 7th as well as prior and subsequent events. To this hour most Arab "Palestinians" will support the terrorist organizations of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Yes, that's the only way to have lasting peace and security. Any Arab "Palestinian" that is found to support terrorism should be expelled and the ones that remain can be educated and eventually integrated into the State of Israel.

So it was about cultural genocide.

Thanks!

 

[tampasteve]

So it was about cultural genocide.

Thanks!

Correct, the Arab "Palestinians" desire/d to eradicate Israel and the Jews.

 

[rambot]

Correct, the Arab "Palestinians" desire/d to eradicate Israel and the Jews.

But were not as successful as Israel.

 

[tampasteve]

But were not as successful as Israel.

Fortunately, thank God. Unfortunately the vast majority of Gaza has been brain washed for decades and were an active participant and supported the genocidal and suicidal mission of Hamas on October 7th and since. Complicate individuals, which is pretty much all Gazans, should be offered no quarter when they continue to choose to fight. Not one "civilian" has come forth with a hostage or information on the hostages.

The shear amount of weapons and materials for war found in "civilian" homes, offices, children's bedrooms and schools shows a populace committed to the destruction of another. The war could have been over nearly immediately if the hostages had been given back and the people chose to get rid of Hamas - something they are still not committing to. The Arab "Palestinians" have had their chance to develop a functional state time and again and every time they have chosen to instead to spit on Israel, invest in terrorist infrastructure, and stick with terrorism.

 

[rambot]

Fortunately, thank God. Unfortunately the vast majority of Gaza has been brain washed for decades and were an active participant and supported the genocidal and suicidal mission of Hamas on October 7th and since. Complicate individuals, which is pretty much all Gazans, should be offered no quarter when they continue to choose to fight. Not one "civilian" has come forth with a hostage or information on the hostages.

The shear amount of weapons and materials for war found in "civilian" homes, offices, children's bedrooms and schools shows a populace committed to the destruction of another.

OR it could show that the infrastructure HAMAS had in place was all destroyed and the civilian homes had been abandoned.

The war could have been over nearly immediately if the hostages had been given back and the people chose to get rid of Hamas - something they are still not committing to. The Arab "Palestinians" have had their chance to develop a functional state time and again and every time they have chosen to instead to spit on Israel, invest in terrorist infrastructure, and stick with terrorism.

And so cultural genocide is the appropriate response.