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Oh, I'm sure you can. But can you interpret properly? I think that's probably the area you need to work on.ummm me kan reade
What makes you think this is correct? Even if the Bible were inspired by God, men still could have written their own stories and thoughts into it.ah...but there again, the entirely of the Tanakh is *inspired* by G-d...men just held the pens
Indeed, this ENTIRE mode of interpretation (that the Bible was dictated by God) is based on the ASSUMPTION that "God Breathed" in 2Timothy means dictated. Of course most Bibles translate it as "inspired" (when not literally translated) and when we are inspired to write a particular novel or compose a song, we USUALLY mean in terms of the basics, not the details.What makes you think this is correct? Even if the Bible were inspired by God, men still could have written their own stories and thoughts into it.
Oh, I'm sure you can. But can you interpret properly? I think that's probably the area you need to work on.
What makes you think this is correct? Even if the Bible were inspired by God, men still could have written their own stories and thoughts into it.
Yes, but what you forget is that this approach allows one to not be accountable to His Word because whenever the text doesn't jive with our personal feelings or desires then when can either say the Word isn't from God or that we've somehow misinterpreted it. It's all quite convenient, don't you think?I still am so amazed that people who have faith in an all powerful G-d doubt His ability to keep the message of His word to us as infallible as He is...
Yes, but what you forget is that this approach allows one to not be accountable to His Word because whenever the text doesn't jive with our personal feelings or desires then when can either say the Word isn't from God or that we've somehow misinterpreted it. It's all quite convenient, don't you think?
And I'm amazed that people are still unwilling to take a look at a contextual interpretation of the Bible and instead resort to a ridiculous completely literal interpretation that isn't supported by anything, and I mean anything other than a few fundamentalist sects of Christianity. Not empirical evidence, not logic, not context, not the Bible itself and not theological consistency.I still am so amazed that people who have faith in an all powerful G-d doubt His ability to keep the message of His word to us as infallible as He is...
You're right, because my conviction that the earth is more than 6,000 years old is based on an ulterior conviction designed to completely undermine the faith. Where the heck do you get these crazy ideas? What kind of "feeling" or "desire" could I have that would cause me to oppose a literalistic interpretation of the Genesis account if it weren't for it not actually being empirically sound.vossler said:Yes, but what you forget is that this approach allows one to not be accountable to His Word because whenever the text doesn't jive with our personal feelings or desires then when can either say the Word isn't from God or that we've somehow misinterpreted it. It's all quite convenient, don't you think?
And I'm amazed that people are still unwilling to take a look at a contextual interpretation of the Bible and instead resort to a ridiculous completely literal interpretation that isn't supported by anything, and I mean anything other than a few fundamentalist sects of Christianity. Not empirical evidence, not logic, not context, not the Bible itself and not theological consistency.
I know this part wasn't directed at me...but I'm going to mouth off anyhow...You're right, because my conviction that the earth is more than 6,000 years old is based on an ulterior conviction designed to completely undermine the faith. Where the heck do you get these crazy ideas? What kind of "feeling" or "desire" could I have that would cause me to oppose a literalistic interpretation of the Genesis account if it weren't for it not actually being empirically sound.
Perhaps it stems from the need to believe that man isn't so inherintly evil after all? That maybe it wasn't original sin that caused mankind to need salvation...and if the creation story isn't true then maybe...just maybe the laws of G-d are also not literal but left open to individual interpretation as well...leaving the way free for people to decide for themselves what is right and wrong...leading to the amoral society we see today...
you seem to always somehow juxtapose Evolution/Atheism with the concept of morality as if the acceptance of the verifiable discipline of evolution equates with a lack of morals.OOOhhhh I dunno...perhaps because it is literal and supports itself quite well...if you know how to read it and interpret it's original languages...
I know this part wasn't directed at me...but I'm going to mouth off anyhow...
Perhaps it stems from the need to believe that man isn't so inherintly evil after all? That maybe it wasn't original sin that caused mankind to need salvation...and if the creation story isn't true then maybe...just maybe the laws of G-d are also not literal but left open to individual interpretation as well...leaving the way free for people to decide for themselves what is right and wrong...leading to the amoral society we see today...
If only it were that simple. If it were we could easily call you a heretic or as you say someone who's purpose is to undermine the faith. No Satan is far too clever and all he needs to do is to get you to believe something other than the truth and then in turn you'll unconscientiously accept myths. That's exactly what 2 Timothy 4:1 - 4 is referring to:You're right, because my conviction that the earth is more than 6,000 years old is based on an ulterior conviction designed to completely undermine the faith. Where the heck do you get these crazy ideas? What kind of "feeling" or "desire" could I have that would cause me to oppose a literalistic interpretation of the Genesis account if it weren't for it not actually being empirically sound.
True, but let's not forget that in the process He never abolishes the literal.You know, Jesus Himself did a lot of that stuff you call "figurative interpretation" with the Torah. He said that murder isn't just murder, but also being angry with your neighbor; He said that adultery isn't just physical contact but mental fixation as well. He quite fairly turned the Law upside-down wherever He saw fit (good examples being John 7 and, surprise surprise, Mark 10), but this is the same guy who said that He had come not to destroy the Law but to fulfill it. So His idea of fulfilling the Law is interpreting it figuratively? Hmmm.
So are you saying that murder and adultery are now out the window and are now figurative events?Did he uphold the literal crush the head of the serpent promise in Gen 3? Literal Sabbath observance also went out the window.
Don't worry, it doesn't appear you will ever take much of Scripture to be literal and as it stands right now the 'Christian faith' is more than willing to oblige you.Goodness, I hope the day never arrives when all Christian religion decides that a literal interpretation is the one intended. That will be the day that I leave the Christian faith once and for all.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Satan planted dinosaur bones to tempt Christians from the path.If only it were that simple. If it were we could easily call you a heretic or as you say someone who's purpose is to undermine the faith. No Satan is far too clever and all he needs to do is to get you to believe something other than the truth and then in turn you'll unconscientiously accept myths. That's exactly what 2 Timothy 4:1 - 4 is referring to:I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.It's the Word which we're to teach and use as our plumb line, not science or any other man-made standard. Whenever we deviate from it then we open ourselves up to falling into Satan's trap.
Sure. If you figure you'd like to, you're already guiltySo are you saying that murder and adultery are now out the window and are now figurative events?
I never claim that every literal meaning is abolished, but some clearly are. No snakes were harmed at Calvary. We don't get circumcised and Sabbath observation is no longer a command.True, but let's not forget that in the process He never abolishes the literal.
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