Had a Run-In with a Famous Atheist

[holyman1178]

I was recently visiting my brother at his college.. i know im too old to hang around colleges, but i miss those days.....

anyway.. the college happened to be hosting an "inter faith panel discussion"in the theter.. so i peeked in..

the panel consisted of a multitude of Christian Denominations, other religions and one Atheist. the athiest was an author of a book and does TV every now and then... too bad i didnt get to hear him get grilled.. ( i walked in at the end) anyway.. after it was over,, the Atheist guy mingled with the crowd and I approached him.. i tried to ask hm a few questions on the spot but he snubbed me... i remained persistant and got his attention..

by the way, im not prejudiced in the slightest but i was actually shocked that the Atheist was african american... statistically most atheists are caucasoid.

anyway i asked him

1) how does he have a moral compass or sense of right from wrong without Our Lord Savior?

2) What meaning does the atheist life have....

I even asked him to admit that according to Eviloutionary theory that "given enuff time and chance isnt it true that the entire casto of fictional X-Men, would evolve on Earth"? He answered "Yes" reluctantly..hahahaha

i found his website.. someone shut down this Jerk

the name of his book is: A Call to Sanity


from his site:
Jason Scott Yeldell is a Biologist and Evolutionist by degree and a science teacher and writer by avocation.
Mr. Yeldell's childhood fascination with dinosaurs and nature proved to be the necessary beginning to him championing rational thought and logic over theology, pseudo science, a supernatural realm and superstition to this day.

"I believe it is a natural progression, for those wholly fascinated with nature and the world's creatures, that they develop into individuals who settle for nothing less than accurate depictions of reality and not viewing life through a "lens" of religion, superstition and groundless claims of an invisible deity." (Jason Yeldell, 2003)
When not working, Mr. Yeldell is heavily active on the continuing debate regarding Evolution and Creationism, as well as the Atheism/ Theism arenas.
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In His Name we Pray

 

[imind]

why is he a jerk, and why should he be 'shut down'?

never mind, i now see your intentions...

 

[random_guy]

I was recently visiting my brother at his college.. i know im too old to hang around colleges, but i miss those days.....

anyway.. the college happened to be hosting an "inter faith panel discussion"in the theter.. so i peeked in..

the panel consisted of a multitude of Christian Denominations, other religions and one Atheist. the athiest was an author of a book and does TV every now and then... too bad i didnt get to hear him get grilled.. ( i walked in at the end) anyway.. after it was over,, the Atheist guy mingled with the crowd and I approached him.. i tried to ask hm a few questions on the spot but he snubbed me... i remained persistant and got his attention..

by the way, im not prejudiced in the slightest but i was actually shocked that the Atheist was african american... statistically most atheists are caucasoid.

anyway i asked him

1) how does he have a moral compass or sense of right from wrong without Our Lord Savior?

2) What meaning does the atheist life have....

I even asked him to admit that according to Eviloutionary theory that "given enuff time and chance isnt it true that the entire casto of fictional X-Men, would evolve on Earth"? He answered "Yes" reluctantly..hahahaha

i found his website.. someone shut down this Jerk

the name of his book is: A Call to Sanity


from his site:
Jason Scott Yeldell is a Biologist and Evolutionist by degree and a science teacher and writer by avocation.
Mr. Yeldell's childhood fascination with dinosaurs and nature proved to be the necessary beginning to him championing rational thought and logic over theology, pseudo science, a supernatural realm and superstition to this day.

"I believe it is a natural progression, for those wholly fascinated with nature and the world's creatures, that they develop into individuals who settle for nothing less than accurate depictions of reality and not viewing life through a "lens" of religion, superstition and groundless claims of an invisible deity." (Jason Yeldell, 2003)
When not working, Mr. Yeldell is heavily active on the continuing debate regarding Evolution and Creationism, as well as the Atheism/ Theism arenas.
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Ummm, you don't need to be religious to have morals. In fact, those that say that religion is the only thing that keeps them from acting sinfully scare me the most.

Second, whether or not the atheist did say what he said, it doesn't make it scientific nor make it a part of evolutionary theory. I've had Creationists admit to things such as God creating wind to blow water to Mars but that doesn't make it a belief of all Creationists.

Finally, a persons race has no bearing on whether he's an atheist or not. I'm not sure why you think it's important to bring that up. I hope this is a parody, because if not, your words reflect very poorly on Creationists

 

[Mallon]

Atheist Richard Dawkins has some very interesting answers to your questions that should be considered carefully. He's promoting his book currently, The God Delusion, and many of his TV/radio interviews appear on YouTube.

 

[Dannager]

i found his website.. someone shut down this Jerk

Er...why should he be "shut down" and how is he a jerk?

And as far as the X-Men thing goes, that's completely untrue. Half of the X-Men have abilities that are literally impossible, or are otherwise outside the realm of understanding of the physical world. For instance, unless there is some hidden transmission our brains make that we aren't aware of yet, evolving the ability to read minds is impossible.

You don't sound like you are really fully knowledgeable on what evolution actually is. Would you like some of us to explain it to you?

 

[Assyrian]

I even asked him to admit that according to Eviloutionary theory that "given enuff time and chance isnt it true that the entire casto of fictional X-Men, would evolve on Earth"? He answered "Yes" reluctantly..hahahaha

He said that? An organism could develop Cyclops's optic blast? Could teleport like Night Crawler? Freeze water like Iceman? Control hurricanes like Storm? Don't you know only butterflies can do that

 

[Gwenyfur]

I was recently visiting my brother at his college.. i know im too old to hang around colleges, but i miss those days.....

anyway.. the college happened to be hosting an "inter faith panel discussion"in the theter.. so i peeked in..

the panel consisted of a multitude of Christian Denominations, other religions and one Atheist. the athiest was an author of a book and does TV every now and then... too bad i didnt get to hear him get grilled.. ( i walked in at the end) anyway.. after it was over,, the Atheist guy mingled with the crowd and I approached him.. i tried to ask hm a few questions on the spot but he snubbed me... i remained persistant and got his attention..

by the way, im not prejudiced in the slightest but i was actually shocked that the Atheist was african american... statistically most atheists are caucasoid.

anyway i asked him

1) how does he have a moral compass or sense of right from wrong without Our Lord Savior?

2) What meaning does the atheist life have....

I even asked him to admit that according to Eviloutionary theory that "given enuff time and chance isnt it true that the entire casto of fictional X-Men, would evolve on Earth"? He answered "Yes" reluctantly..hahahaha

i found his website.. someone shut down this Jerk

the name of his book is: A Call to Sanity


from his site:
Jason Scott Yeldell is a Biologist and Evolutionist by degree and a science teacher and writer by avocation.
Mr. Yeldell's childhood fascination with dinosaurs and nature proved to be the necessary beginning to him championing rational thought and logic over theology, pseudo science, a supernatural realm and superstition to this day.

"I believe it is a natural progression, for those wholly fascinated with nature and the world's creatures, that they develop into individuals who settle for nothing less than accurate depictions of reality and not viewing life through a "lens" of religion, superstition and groundless claims of an invisible deity." (Jason Yeldell, 2003)
When not working, Mr. Yeldell is heavily active on the continuing debate regarding Evolution and Creationism, as well as the Atheism/ Theism arenas.
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4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.

5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

amazing...that line is still working today ... pity that...

 

[Dannager]

amazing...that line is still working today ... pity that...

Sorry, what?

 

[Gwenyfur]

the belief that we will keep on evolving getting smarter, stronger, better, faster etc...until one day we will be as gods ourselves...humans are gods etc...

same line as Satan used on Eve....and still just as effective...

...pity isn't it

 

[Dannager]

the belief that we will keep on evolving getting smarter, stronger, better, faster etc...until one day we will be as gods ourselves...humans are gods etc...

same line as Satan used on Eve....and still just as effective...

...pity isn't it

But evolutionary theory doesn't say that any of that will happen. Evolutionary theory doesn't make anything into gods, it just makes populations better adapted to their environment.

You do know that by now, right Gwenyfur? Why are you still saying that evolutionary theory claims things that it doesn't? That's an intellectually dishonest thing to do.

 

[random_guy]

the belief that we will keep on evolving getting smarter, stronger, better, faster etc...until one day we will be as gods ourselves...humans are gods etc...

same line as Satan used on Eve....and still just as effective...

...pity isn't it

It's a pity since this shows the ignorance of the general public when it comes to evolution. Nothing in evolution says that organisms much become smarter, stronger, faster, etc until Godhood. Some people may believe evolution does that, but that is all the more reason to teach evolution in schools, so that people do not believe in such pseudoscience.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Have you actually sat in a high school science class lately?
have you actually read the text books they're using???
I seriously doubt it or you could possibly have written that statement...

 

[Dannager]

Have you actually sat in a high school science class lately?
have you actually read the text books they're using???
I seriously doubt it or you could possibly have written that statement...

You probably mean "could not possibly have", but that's okay. Since you clearly have sat in a high school science class lately, and have actually read the text books, would you mind providing us with an excerpt from a public high school biology textbook discussing evolution in such a manner?

EDIT: Could you also not ignore my previous questions as to why you continue to prop up a strawman of evolution? I'd really appreciate an answer.

 

[Gwenyfur]

I choose to ignore your "strawman" allegations basically for the same reason you pounce on mine...because I choose to...need I address every tiny line of every single post when something is patently false...

And yes, I sat in class just for the last 4 years ...just for hte sessions on evolution...

Since my daughter is now graduated, I dont' plan to sit in this year...fortunately G-d blessed us enough to put my youngest into a Christian school where the nonsense of evolution will not be taught...

One thing I've noticed here, is most of the TE's in Origins speak of the evolution of changes created in laboratories in controlled environments under the careful supervision of trained scientists...great! They're coming up with things that are amazing for society today...frost resistant soy beans, wheat that grows in winter...great...let's feed the world...no problem...

But, at the same time the elementary - high school text books are still teaching that we evolved from rocks (basically) or that while there was no atmosphere, the rocks absorbed oxygen...Still teaching the evolution of the horse (proven wrong in 1941) using Haekel's embryo drawing (proven a fraud in 1873) and I won't even go into a big bang where everything came from a speck of matter no larger than the period on this page. (totaly rediculous) ...

and you refer to my faith and belief in Scripture as strawman arguments??? puhlease...at least it was inspired by G-d to nurture mankind...not developed by man to deceive mankind

Shalom

 

[Dannager]

I choose to ignore your "strawman" allegations basically for the same reason you pounce on mine...because I choose to...need I address every tiny line of every single post when something is patently false...

But it wasn't a tiny line. It was the point of my entire post. That's rather rude of you to ignore it like that, and appears as evasion rather than an actual lack of desire. So how about doing the honest thing and responding? It'd be really nice of you.

And yes, I sat in class just for the last 4 years ...just for hte sessions on evolution...

Ooooh, your daughter must've loved you watching over her shoulder in biology class.

Since my daughter is now graduated, I dont' plan to sit in this year...fortunately G-d blessed us enough to put my youngest into a Christian school where the nonsense of evolution will not be taught...

And that youngest will grow up with a fundamentally flawed understanding of science. Should he (or she) ever decide to pursue a career in science, he will face the ridicule of his peers for being brought up to ignore empirical evidence, the foundation of modern science. You will have effectively killed an entire set of career paths for him.

One thing I've noticed here, is most of the TE's in Origins speak of the evolution of changes created in laboratories in controlled environments under the careful supervision of trained scientists...great!

Actually, a lot of our best examples are ones that have arisen outside of the laboratory in a relatively uncontrolled environment (like the nylonase bug, for instance). You have been paying attention, haven't you?

They're coming up with things that are amazing for society today...frost resistant soy beans, wheat that grows in winter...great...let's feed the world...no problem...

I know, isn't science amazing! One of the best parts is that it works so well because scientists aren't tied down by trying to do mental gymnastics to justify their findings. Creationists, however, have some hoops to deal with.

But, at the same time the elementary - high school text books are still teaching that we evolved from rocks (basically) or that while there was no atmosphere, the rocks absorbed oxygen...Still teaching the evolution of the horse (proven wrong in 1941) using Haekel's embryo drawing (proven a fraud in 1873) and I won't even go into a big bang where everything came from a speck of matter no larger than the period on this page. (totaly rediculous) ...

Only ridiculous to someone with a complete lack of understanding of the issue. How about showing us excerpts from this textbook used in your daughter's biology lessons, though? Perhaps you still have it lying around somewhere to substantiate your claims that public high school students are still taught things like "evolution means we'll eventually become gods". Would you like me to explain things like the Big Bang in terms you can understand, Gwenyfur? It would probably go a long way towards you being able to speak knowledgeably on the topic.

and you refer to my faith and belief in Scripture as strawman arguments??? puhlease...at least it was inspired by G-d to nurture mankind...not developed by man to deceive mankind

I don't refer to your faith as a strawman. Could you tell me what the term "strawman" refers to, Gwenyfur? When I said you erected a strawman, it was in reference to your claim that evolution says we'll eventually become Gods. That's a strawman, because evolutionary theory doesn't say that we'll eventually become gods. Claiming that a theory says something that it doesn't actually say is called building a strawman, and it is an intellectually dishonest practice, usually only used by those who don't have the ability to rationally defend their position.

 

[Gwenyfur]

okies fine:

Nothing in evolution says that organisms much become smarter, stronger, faster, etc until Godhood.

really...so humans evolving from monkeys to neadethals and homo sapien etc isn't becoming better, stronger, smarter, faster , godlike etc??? that's a new one.

Ooooh, your daughter must've loved you watching over her shoulder in biology class.

Actually, it was her idea...get over it...

And that youngest will grow up with a fundamentally flawed understanding of science. Should he (or she) ever decide to pursue a career in science, he will face the ridicule of his peers for being brought up to ignore empirical evidence, the foundation of modern science. You will have effectively killed an entire set of career paths for him.

She has already made up her mind to go into ministry...so yes another YEC missionary in the field winning souls for the L-rd, not sitting online being sarcastic and ridiculing an article of faith. I would call that being more successful than any scientist on the planet!

Actually, a lot of our best examples are ones that have arisen outside of the laboratory in a relatively uncontrolled environment (like the nylonase bug, for instance). You have been paying attention, haven't you?

more like "oh lookwhat we found in the wild...see what it can do!?? It has evolved so specifically to it's environment that it can ((fill in blank))...is it really so hard a leap to say "Wow, G-d really knew what He was doing when He create this!" but no...keep bowing to 'Science'.

I know, isn't science amazing! One of the best parts is that it works so well because scientists aren't tied down by trying to do mental gymnastics to justify their findings. Creationists, however, have some hoops to deal with.

Hoops?? What hoops? G-d said it...period...and in case *you* haven't been paying attention, He said it more than once

Only ridiculous to someone with a complete lack of understanding of the issue. How about showing us excerpts from this textbook used in your daughter's biology lessons, though? Perhaps you still have it lying around somewhere to substantiate your claims that public high school students are still taught things like "evolution means we'll eventually become gods". Would you like me to explain things like the Big Bang in terms you can understand, Gwenyfur? It would probably go a long way towards you being able to speak knowledgeably on the topic.

More like rediculous to anyone with an iota of common sense. Me can reed inglisch duh!

I don't refer to your faith as a strawman. Could you tell me what the term "strawman" refers to, Gwenyfur? When I said you erected a strawman, it was in reference to your claim that evolution says we'll eventually become Gods. That's a strawman, because evolutionary theory doesn't say that we'll eventually become gods. Claiming that a theory says something that it doesn't actually say is called building a strawman, and it is an intellectually dishonest practice, usually only used by those who don't have the ability to rationally defend their position.

Just read this then tell me it's a "strawman"

 

[Willtor]

And yes, I sat in class just for the last 4 years ...just for hte sessions on evolution...

. . .

But, at the same time the elementary - high school text books are still teaching that we evolved from rocks (basically) or that while there was no atmosphere, the rocks absorbed oxygen...Still teaching the evolution of the horse (proven wrong in 1941) using Haekel's embryo drawing (proven a fraud in 1873) and I won't even go into a big bang where everything came from a speck of matter no larger than the period on this page. (totaly rediculous) ...

That sucks. I'm sincerely sorry to hear it. If they're teaching that we evolved from rocks, then the people who wrote the textbook don't understand that evolution, even from Darwin's initial conception, only deals with life. Very unfortunate, indeed, and I can see why this would lead to misconceptions on the part of creationists. Incidentally, what textbook was this?

I don't think that the evolution of the horse has been disproved. It might be that Haeckel's particular model for its evolution has been disproved, but I think disproving the evolution of horses would take some serious work. But as you say, this is a weakness of the textbook, not evolutionary theory.

And for the Big Bang, two questions: 1. what is so ridiculous about it, and 2. why was the Big Bang in a biology textbook?

Can you give a link to the Amazon page for the book?

 

[Mallon]

I, too, would like to see a quote from one of the high-school science texts Gwenyfur claimed promotes man as gods. Without it, I would think her diatribe re: the high school science classroom is baseless, no?

 

[Gwenyfur]

I, too, would like to see a quote from one of the high-school science texts Gwenyfur claimed promotes man as gods. Without it, I would think her diatribe re: the high school science classroom is baseless, no?

Tell ya what, take your happy self to yoru local high school and sit in there and read the book for yourself!

Seriously, how many schools let you *keep* the textbook????

in MO...that number would be 0...

and while I do have a couple from my days in private school...evolution really isn't discussed

take it or leave, I could care less...as I've said before it's a matter of *FAITH* not science...

I'm just really sick of hearing all the glories of evolution, and y'all going on and on, and not one of you have taken the time to really look to see what's being taught...want to talk about blind faith....

 

[Mallon]

I don't think that the evolution of the horse has been disproved.

Horse evolution hasn't been disproven. Anagenetic horse evolution has been disproved. That is, horse evolution did not progress in a straight line, as previously thought. This very different from the strawman that "horse evolution" has been disproven.