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Habemus Papam

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That will likely often be true if you don't believe that Paul can authoritatively make judgmenets about homosexuality being wrong in the church.
Sir, you mistake saint Paul for Holy Scripture. It is holy scripture that has authority for Christians, saint Paul not so much.
 
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ADMIN HAT ON

This thread had a thorough cleaning, perhaps a little heavy handed, but many posts that were too personal, sniping, or just rude have been removed.

DO NOT Make this thread about homosexuality.

ADMIN HAT OFF
 
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Sir, you mistake saint Paul for Holy Scripture. It is holy scripture that has authority for Christians, saint Paul not so much.
Again, Paul *is* the Scripture with respect to the letters he has written that have been incorporated into "the Scriptures." Nobody should say Paul was sinless--he himself admitted his shorcomings, past and present. But his authority to declare doctrine is unquestionable. Apparently we are discouraged from continuing in discussing how the new Pope views these things?
 
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Again, Paul *is* the Scripture with respect to the letters he has written that have been incorporated into "the Scriptures." Nobody should say Paul was sinless--he himself admitted his shorcomings, past and present. But his authority to declare doctrine is unquestionable. Apparently we are discouraged from continuing in discussing how the new Pope views these things?
No man can be reduced to letters.
 
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No man can be reduced to letters.
My view is that in discussing Christian doctrine, including discussion of what is allowed/prohibited, one must have a baseline. And for me that baseline is Scripture, including Paul's Scriptures. But we've been discouraged from pursuing anything beyond this on this thread. So I think it wise to bow out now.
 
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The Law of Moses condemned the Gay lifestyle, and Jesus would've been in full agreement. Can Gay People be forgiven? Yes, they can be forgiven if they repent. Until then they should not be included in the Church as if their life choice is being approved of.
That would be Levitical law, not the Decalogue.
 
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Moses and the law associated with Moses is obsolete.
Let God be judge and look out for your own way of life, sins, and forgiveness.
The NT is not obsolete. . .the practice of homosexuality is sin (Ro 1:26-27).

Jesus is clear that the sinner is to turn from his sin (Jn 8:11, do not honor man more than God, 1 Sa 2:29),
and the one who does not turn is to be excluded from the fellowship (1 Co 5:13) until he does (2 Co 2:6-8).
 
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That would be Levitical law, not the Decalogue.
The NT is not obsolete. . .the practice of homosexuality is sin (Ro 1:26-27).

Jesus is clear that the sinner is to turn from his sin (Jn 8:11, do not honor man more than God, 1 Sa 2:29),
and the one who does not turn is to be excluded from the fellowship (1 Co 5:13) until he does (2 Co 2:6-8).
What's the topic for this thread?
 
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