Gun control

[rambot]

With the shooting death of a healthcare CEO potentially rattling the secure feelings of the 1%, and with some pretty...over the top images of deference to the shooter online could we expect copycats?

And if copycats do start do you expect gun reform or so you believe the status quo would be maintained?


Keeping in mind there's been over 1700 school shootings in the last 8 years with over 400 children dead in that time.

 

[Hammster]

There will be no new laws. Legislators only pass them to look good.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

With the shooting death of a healthcare CEO potentially rattling the secure feelings of the 1%, and with some pretty...over the top images of deference to the shooter online could we expect copycats?

And if copycats do start do you expect gun reform or so you believe the status quo would be maintained?


Keeping in mind there's been over 1700 school shootings in the last 8 years with over 400 children dead in that time.

I gave up on gun control being any kind of reality in this country so long ago. Aside from this CEO that nobody seems to care about, we’ve had presidents assassinated, children murdered in their classroom. Concerts, nightclubs, movie theaters, baseball games, work places, churches, synagogues, cemeteries, shopping malls and so many more places have seen gun violence and we do nothing.


We will continue to do nothing about guns.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

If dead elementary school children won’t inspire it, a dead millionaire certainly won’t.

 

[BCP1928]

1. The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed (except for minors, felons and the mentally ill)
2. All firearms must be registered.
3. All firearms owners must carry liability insurance.
4. A person found in possession of an unregistered firearm will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
5. A person found in possession of a firearm not registered to him will will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
The registered owner of the firearm, if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
6. A person who commits a crime with or in possession of a firearm will be charged with a felony in addition to the charge for the crime. No bail, no plea bargain. The registered owner of the firearm, if not the perp and if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
7. All transfers of title must be accompanied by a background check.

If not, why not?

 

[Unqualified]

1. The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed (except for minors, felons and the mentally ill)
2. All firearms must be registered.
3. All firearms owners must carry liability insurance.
4. A person found in possession of an unregistered firearm will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
5. A person found in possession of a firearm not registered to him will will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
The registered owner of the firearm, if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
6. A person who commits a crime with or in possession of a firearm will be charged with a felony in addition to the charge for the crime. No bail, no plea bargain. The registered owner of the firearm, if not the perp and if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
7. All transfers of title must be accompanied by a background check.

If not, why not?

sca—ry. Lots of gun control. But it’s not the guns that cause crime.

 

[BCP1928]

sca—ry. Lots of gun control. But it’s not the guns that cause crime.

Scary? Why? I'm a gun owner and it doesn't scare me, but I would rather see fewer guns in the hands of criminals.

 

[Vambram]

Scary? Why? I'm a gun owner and it doesn't scare me, but I would rather see fewer guns in the hands of criminals.

How effective are gun laws in preventing criminals from getting guns?

 

[BCP1928]

How effective are gun laws in preventing criminals from getting guns?

The laws I am recommending would definitely go a long way to do the job. Take a look at gun crimes. See how many shooters are repeat offenders or out on bail. See how many of them bought their guns from a guy who bought the guns out of the trunk of a car at a gun show in another state. All guns start out legally owned. If the legal owner was held responsible for a gun that showed up in criminal hands a lot fewer would.

 

[rambot]

How effective are gun laws in preventing criminals from getting guns?

No one is a criminal until they misuse a gun though. So it's not a criminal getting a gun. It's a law abiding citizen getting a gun....


Who then commits a crime.

What's preventing citizens from getting a gun? Very little to nothing.

 

[Unqualified]

Scary? Why? I'm a gun owner and it doesn't scare me, but I would rather see fewer guns in the hands of criminals.

Do you have liability insurance?

if they demand liability insurance, I’m liable to sell everything I can and give up gun ownership.

 

[BCP1928]

Do you have liability insurance?

if they demand liability insurance, I’m liable to sell everything I can and give up gun ownership.

No, I don't have liability insurance, it's not required now. But if I had to I don't see it as a reason to give up my guns. In any case, for a person with firearms safety training who keeps his guns secured the cost is nonimnal.

 

[eleos1954]

With the shooting death of a healthcare CEO potentially rattling the secure feelings of the 1%, and with some pretty...over the top images of deference to the shooter online could we expect copycats?

And if copycats do start do you expect gun reform or so you believe the status quo would be maintained?


Keeping in mind there's been over 1700 school shootings in the last 8 years with over 400 children dead in that time.

Murder is egregious regardless how it is done and it's done many ways ... the main reason we have a constitutional right to bare arms is to protect against a tyrannical government. Schools and other vulnerable places should have better security. Also actually taking criminals off the streets ... of which is becoming less done.

Nothing is fool proof and never will be ... no matter what laws are put in place.

 

[Unqualified]

There is a state that just added an eleven percent excise tax to every gun purchase. But other than that you’re right not too xpensive. I add a few hundred to reload each one.

I was was just saying and we agreed that what you are proposing would end it for us. Not in the income of most people to buy liability insurance. But I don’t want anymore gun control like that. Only crazy’s would shoot up a school. In the spirit of that I don’t know how they are going to stop it. I didn’t realize how many times it’s happened. So the press is hiding that too. But gun control is not the answer. It’s men’s hearts that are bad. But eliminating every gun won’t work. It can’t be done. So we have a hobby and protection against crime and government and kids are getting killed. It makes no sense.

i would gladly give them up if it would stop and we have a happy world with no pain or sorrow. But they don’t want/won’t do that either. The UN is not worthy to decide. Prepare your hearts Jesus is the answer to all our conflicts. Guards in schools. Throw some money at the problem. Get Jesus, these times are not going to last.

 

[Hans Blaster]

1. The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed (except for minors, felons and the mentally ill)
2. All firearms must be registered.
3. All firearms owners must carry liability insurance.

Reasonable proposals.

4. A person found in possession of an unregistered firearm will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
5. A person found in possession of a firearm not registered to him will will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
The registered owner of the firearm, if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
6. A person who commits a crime with or in possession of a firearm will be charged with a felony in addition to the charge for the crime. No bail, no plea bargain. The registered owner of the firearm, if not the perp and if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.

Other than #6, where using a firearm in the commission of a crime is already a crime (and I suspect felony), felony is a big of overkill for simple possession.

"No bail, no plea bargain." is also ridiculous. Bail exists to ensure that those who are charged show up for trial and in rare cases to protect society against those who are a threat to others. Possession charges don't reach that level. As for "no plea bargains" do you want the courts to back up completely?

7. All transfers of title must be accompanied by a background check.

Another reasonable proposal

If not, why not?

 

[dogs4thewin]

1. The right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed (except for minors, felons and the mentally ill)
2. All firearms must be registered.
3. All firearms owners must carry liability insurance.
4. A person found in possession of an unregistered firearm will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
5. A person found in possession of a firearm not registered to him will will be charged with a felony. No bail, no plea bargain.
The registered owner of the firearm, if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
6. A person who commits a crime with or in possession of a firearm will be charged with a felony in addition to the charge for the crime. No bail, no plea bargain. The registered owner of the firearm, if not the perp and if it has not been reported stolen, will be charged as an accessory.
7. All transfers of title must be accompanied by a background check.

If not, why not?

Well, one issue is the no plea bargains. 95% or more of case are resolved by plea bargains without them the system would be worse and more costly than it already is.

 

[BCP1928]

There is a state that just added an eleven percent excise tax to every gun purchase. But other than that you’re right not too xpensive. I add a few hundred to reload each one.

I was was just saying and we agreed that what you are proposing would end it for us. Not in the income of most people to buy liability insurance. But I don’t want anymore gun control like that. Only crazy’s would shoot up a school. In the spirit of that I don’t know how they are going to stop it. I didn’t realize how many times it’s happened. So the press is hiding that too. But gun control is not the answer. It’s men’s hearts that are bad. But eliminating every gun won’t work. It can’t be done. So we have a hobby and protection against crime and government and kids are getting killed. It makes no sense.

i would gladly give them up if it would stop and we have a happy world with no pain or sorrow. But they don’t want/won’t do that either. The UN is not worthy to decide. Prepare your hearts Jesus is the answer to all our conflicts. Guards in schools. Throw some money at the problem. Get Jesus, these times are not going to last.

A few dollars a month for a safety trained owner who secures his firearms. Probably rolled into your gun club dues or NRA membership. If you can't afford that, how did you afford to buy guns in the first place?

 

[DaisyDay]

Do you have liability insurance?

if they demand liability insurance, I’m liable to sell everything I can and give up gun ownership.

Why?

 

[BCP1928]

Reasonable proposals.

Other than #6, where using a firearm in the commission of a crime is already a crime (and I suspect felony), felony is a big of overkill for simple possession.

Make it a class 6.

"No bail, no plea bargain." is also ridiculous. Bail exists to ensure that those who are charged show up for trial and in rare cases to protect society against those who are a threat to others. Possession charges don't reach that level. As for "no plea bargains" do you want the courts to back up completely?

In Chicago, where I used to live, it is not unusual for a person to be arrested for a shooting crime only to be let out on bail and be arrested for another shooting crime a few days later. I believe the record is three times in one week.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Make it a class 6.

a "class 6"?

In Chicago, where I used to live, it is not unusual for a person to be arrested for a shooting crime only to be let out on bail and be arrested for another shooting crime a few days later. I believe the record is three times in one week.

Without knowing the details, it sounds like Cook County has problems with how bail works. I would speculate that they may be holding too many people on minor (non-gun, non-violence) offences pre-trial because they couldn't afford $500 bail for shoplifting or simple drug possession.