Gun control USA

[Aussie Pete]

Interesting take from a former US Marine

 

[Freth]

The man in the video encourages firearms safety courses. That's great for the gun owner, but it has no bearing on a mass shooting, as safety is not the concern of a person bent on killing people.

 

[mourningdove~]

Lots of 'interesting' things continue to be said here in the U.S. ...
and lots of 'uninteresting' things, too ...

But ... the Answer ... is Jesus.
Period.

Check out this video ... the lyrics.
Carman was singing about 'the Answer' for America, many years ago.
(This song was released in 2000.)

The U.S. has been sinking into trouble for many years now.
Yes, Carman's music was fun for many of us.
But he was a prophetic voice here also ...
used by God to sound a warning to our country.

The Answer for the U.S., and all the world, is the same today, as in 2000 ...

 

[JosephZ]

The man in the video encourages firearms safety courses. That's great for the gun owner, but it has no bearing on a mass shooting, as safety is not the concern of a person bent on killing people.

Requiring training and licensing prior to being allowed to purchase a gun would help though.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The man in the video encourages firearms safety courses. That's great for the gun owner, but it has no bearing on a mass shooting, as safety is not the concern of a person bent on killing people.

and really someone bent on killing people can use a LOT of different things ( especially if they are bent on killing particular people as opposed to en mass.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Requiring training and licensing prior to being allowed to purchase a gun would though.

Only if the person went about it the right way. What I find funny is that as violence has gone up SO has the number of states who do not require permits to carry hand guns concealed. It currently stands at 24 ( 25 when the year starts ( if no other states join the movement.

Here is a list of those states

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...ry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/

 

[Freth]

Requiring training and licensing prior to being allowed to purchase a gun would help though.

I don't think training is the issue. Yes, there are accidents, but somehow people seem to learn how to use a gun just fine when they want to kill, and they rarely if ever injure themselves in the process, unless it is on purpose. Licenses are great for gun owners, but don't stop killers whatsoever. A killer isn't going to flash his license before killing someone, and a killer can acquire a gun under the table, which completely negates any license requirement.

What little progress that could be achieved by adding more restrictions on law-abiding gun owners will have little to no effect at all on the criminally minded and driven individuals who kill people. While the idea of training and licensing is noble, right, good and beneficial, criminals simply don't care, and they won't abide by any rules.

All you end up doing is inconveniencing people who abide by laws already, and ignoring our country's 200+ year history, which shows that the vast majority of people can own guns and be safe and can be trusted.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I don't think training is the issue. Yes, there are accidents, but somehow people seem to learn how to use a gun just fine when they want to kill, and they rarely if ever injure themselves in the process, unless it is on purpose. Licenses are great for gun owners, but don't stop killers whatsoever. A killer isn't going to flash his license before killing someone, and a killer can acquire a gun under the table, which completely negates any license requirement.

My post above contains a link of the states who have gotten rid of the license requirement for concealed carry. Several of the remaining states ( along with those 25 if a person chooses to get a permit ( which is still advised are shell issue states. This means that if I want a permit and I meet the requirements in age, record and training the sheriff MUST issue me one unless they have a DARN good reason that they can actually say that I would be a danger to myself or others and it have to be a solid reason that they can actually say and not just I do not trust this person with a gun. ( usually this means documented behavior they can point to in order to back their refusal.

 

[Freth]

Only if the person went about it the right way. What I find funny is that as violence has gone up SO has the number of states who do not require permits to carry hand guns concealed. It currently stands at 24 ( 25 when the year starts ( if no other states join the movement.

Here is a list of those states

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/re...ry-licensurepermitting-policies/unrestricted/

I've had a concealed carry permit for going on ten years now. This year they removed the need for a permit. I haven't noticed any change whatsoever in gun violence, but Chicago seems to have all-time high gun violence statistics, despite restrictions.

 

[JosephZ]

I don't think training is the issue. Yes, there are accidents, but somehow people seem to learn how to use a gun just fine when they want to kill, and they rarely if ever injure themselves in the process, unless it is on purpose.

The training would have a dual purpose. In addition to teaching gun safety, it prevents someone from being able to walk into a gun store, purchase a gun and use it in a crime in the same day. Requiring training would work in a similar way as a waiting period. Add registration and licensing to training and it would increase the time even more between the time someone decides to purchase a gun and the time they can possess it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I've had a concealed carry permit for going on ten years now. This year they removed the need for a permit. I haven't noticed any change whatsoever in gun violence, but Chicago seems to have all-time high gun violence statistics, despite restrictions.

Yeah I am in GA. Governor Kept signed it in April to take effect right then. I have not really noticed an increase or decrease, but then again I live in a rural area that does not have too much gun violence to start with, so it is unfair really for me to judge by the liberal news as they are going to put the spin on it. This and cities can expect more violence by their nature.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The training would have a dual purpose. In addition to teaching gun safety, it prevents someone from being able to walk into a gun store, purchase a gun and use it in a crime in the same day. Requiring training would work in a similar way as a waiting period. Add registration and licensing to training and it would increase the time even more between the time someone decides to purchase a gun and the time they can possess it.

again ONLY if the person is willing to go about it the right way.

 

[JosephZ]

again ONLY if the person is willing to go about it the right way.

Most mass shooters have been going the right way and purchased the guns they used legally. From 1966 to 2019, 77 percent of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases. Had stricter requirements such as training and licensing been in place, perhaps some of those mass shooters wouldn't have followed through with their plans.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Most mass shooters have been going the right way and purchased the guns they used legally. From 1966 to 2019, 77 percent of mass shooters obtained the weapons they used in their crimes through legal purchases. Had stricter requirements such as training and licensing been in place, perhaps some of those mass shooters wouldn't have followed through with their plans.

Mass shooters being the key there. I am talking about the TOTAL number of non justified homicides not just those that are by crazy people whose sole goal is to kill as many people as they can.

 

[JosephZ]

Mass shooters being the key there. I am talking about the TOTAL number of non justified homicides not just those that are by crazy people whose sole goal is to kill as many people as they can.

Requiring training and licensing would go a long way in preventing all types of gun violence. Right now someone can go into a gun shop in Indiana, purchase a gun, and take it to Chicago just a few miles away and sell it on the black market. Licensing on a federal level would go a long way in putting a stop to that.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Requiring training and licensing would go a long way in preventing all types of gun violence. Right now someone can go into a gun shop in Indiana, purchase a gun, and take it to Chicago just a few miles away and sell it on the black market. Licensing on a federal level would go a long way in putting a stop to that.

Again if the person was willing to play by the rules. The black market is buying thing illegally guns, drugs whatever.

 

[rturner76]

I've had a concealed carry permit for going on ten years now. This year they removed the need for a permit. I haven't noticed any change whatsoever in gun violence, but Chicago seems to have all-time high gun violence statistics, despite restrictions.

Straw buyers from Indiana keep the South Side supplied with illegal weapons. It's the way you take a legitimate purchase and turn it into an illegal one. How do we crack down on straw buyers?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Straw buyers from Indiana keep the South Side supplied with illegal weapons. It's the way you take a legitimate purchase and turn it into an illegal one.

Concealed carry though has very little to do with actually buying guns ( other than the fact that having a permit allows you to skip the background check that would usually come with every legal purchase from a dealer. Concealed carry only has to do with whether or not a person needs to have a permit to carry a gun; not the steps required in purchasing the gun and really it only applies to hand guns as it is hard to conceal a long gun.

 

[Larniavc]

All you end up doing is inconveniencing people who abide by laws already, and ignoring our country's 200+ year history,

And reduce gun deaths.

 

[High Fidelity]

All you end up doing is inconveniencing people who abide by laws already, and ignoring our country's 200+ year history, which shows that the vast majority of people can own guns and be safe and can be trusted.

But there is so much inconsistency... Back in the early days, people had access to what the government had... that's not the case now and yet people don't argue that. Most people are reasonable enough to understand that citizens don't need access to nuclear weapons, surface-to-air missiles, anti-tank weapons etc, so it's very confusing for people to be so against taking it mildly further and accepting that there are things now available that citizens simply have no good reason to access.

There's also the whole well-regulated militia that's conveniently ignored, too. To that end, something akin to Switzerland's ownership model would be more realistic and in line with what the Second Amendment speaks of.