Guess what? New Date for earth

[speakout]

That's all right, the gentlemen who taught me Statics, Vector Calculus, Ordinary Differential Equations, Numerical Methods, C programming, Operational Amplifiers, Digital Signal Processing, Digital Telecommunication, Cryptography, and Field Programmable Gate Arrays weren't white either, and they got along just fine.

For future reference, evolution contains no criteria I know of for determining what "full" evolution is. You're thinking of the "Great Chain of Being" concept which came from ancient Greece and was enthusiastically adopted by the early church.



Jupiter is roughly the same age as the earth and the sun.

Can you stop it, by you rougly mean 10 billion years.

Was it the was it the time, was it 2 years before or 1.5 billion years after earth?

 

[speakout]

Aww. I'm pretty sure that making that insinuation is about as bad as someone actually making the claim.



Do you mean when did it form? About the same time as the earth.



Well, dear, first there wasn't very much - just energy in a very small space. Then there was a massive and sudden expansion. We're not sure why, but one hypothesis is the collision of two hyperdimensional membranes. Some time after expansion (and with a few intervening steps) there was nucleogenesis, in which the first protons condensed out of the pure energy. A while later hydrogen and formed by pulling electrons into the protons. (I don't know how the electrons formed, by the way)
A long while later, quantum fluctuations in the original mass were much bigger, and some areas were more dense than others. These areas collapsed under gravity to become galaxies, and denser areas within them formed stars when the gravitational attraction was so great it forced hydrogen atoms to stick together to form helium. Helium was then forced together to form other elements including carbon, oxygen, silicon and iron.
When the heaviest stars were spent, the force generated by fusing these things together was unable to prevent gravity from squashing everything together. For a heavy star, this either means that everything becomes really tiny and a black hole, or that it gets so hot again it explodes in a supernova.
A nova's high temperatures generate heavier elements still - all the elements in the entire natural universe - and then fling them all over the place.

The process of star formation though is continuous. Somewhere in one galaxy, there was an area of matter dense enough to collect together into a dense rotating disk. It contained the elements from some of these supernova, and plenty of the oxygen, silicon, carbon and metals which make rocks. There was also, like many places in the universe, a lot of water. A bit over 4.5 billion years ago, this disk of rock and gas was squidging together into individual planetoids and a central star. After a bit of squabbling, things began to settle down and we have the solar system, roughly as we see it today. This happened roughly 10 billion years after that first expansion.



Hey, no problem.

I thank you, you said you do not know when but you said you knew the date?

Another thing, when did non life become life?

So you are not a liar a cheat and a charlatan.

Why did Dawkins claim you are still working on it, you have it all figered out.

How do we test that you are not lying or day dreaming?

 

[Molal]

Did you know, speakout, that creationism is just a biblical interpretation? It is an interpretation that is NOT widely accepted among christians and is often looked down upon (so to speak).

In fact, to place God in a box like you have with creationism show's your distrust of Him and your distrust of His creation.

Science, through lots of hard work and many observations has come to a working theory of cosmic development - science appears to have discovered the way God did it. Creationism is an afront to God.

 

[Morcova]

Origins: Fourteen Billion Years of Cosmic Evolution (Sept 2005)
Origins explores cosmic science's stunning new insights into the formation and evolution of our universe: of the cosmos, of galaxies and galaxy clusters, of stars within galaxies, of planets that orbit those stars, and of different forms of life that take us back to the first three seconds and forward through three billion years of life on Earth to today's search for life on other planets

I told you were making it up.

Someone told me the earth was definitely 4.5 billion years old.

Now 4.5 billion +- 10.5 Billion (error rate)

That is just whack.

You are making it up.

Er, lol.

The earth isn't the universe boy.

Just like a child isn't the same age as it's mother the earth isn't the same age as the universe.

And no... we are not making it up, you are just ignorant of science.

 

[FishFace]

I thank you, you said you do not know when but you said you knew the date?

Don't know when what?

Another thing, when did non life become life?

There is evidence of life as early as 3.9 billion years ago, so some time before then.

So you are not a liar a cheat and a charlatan.

I'm glad!

Why did Dawkins claim you are still working on it, you have it all figered out.

Because we were answering different questions. We're still working on what happened before all of that stuff I described.

 

[speakout]

Don't know when what?



There is evidence of life as early as 3.9 billion years ago, so some time before then.



I'm glad!



Because we were answering different questions. We're still working on what happened before all of that stuff I described.

How can test this?

 

[speakout]

The CofE has, or had, a lot of bishops in the masons, but they're not all, not by any means, freemasons. Especially so in recent times.

What recent times?

Half of them are still freemasons and their Archbishop is a Druid.

 

[speakout]

Er, lol.

The earth isn't the universe boy.

Just like a child isn't the same age as it's mother the earth isn't the same age as the universe.

And no... we are not making it up, you are just ignorant of science.

Clever clogg says that the planetis separated from the Universe.

 

[Dragar]

In these sense the words mean different things?

Well duh.

 

[Morcova]

Clever clogg says that the planetis separated from the Universe.

There is no poster so named in this thread... are you now having debates with imaginary people?

 

[LittleNipper]

No. Both the house and stove are roughly 14.5 billion years old.

We can all agree that the house was built by men and didn't evolve into existence. The stove was also designed and manufactured by men and was purchased and installed by same. No species evolution involved.

 

[FishFace]

How can test this?

Well, the first evidence life isn't something you test - it's just something that's there. It looks like a simple cell, so that's probably what it was.

The origin of the universe is tested both in experimentation and in theoretical ways, too. If the maths don't work out for a theory, it must be wrong. We can also use experiments which discern how stuff acts in general (such as experiments into general relativity) to find out what must have happened given what we already know. What we know, for example, is that a big bang should generate a hot soup of particles. As space expands, this soup cools and eventually turns from a soup into the universe we see today. As it cools, bits of the soup stick to each other, and as a consequence, other bits of soup - photons - scattered off them.
Big Bang Theory predicts that the soup released these photons in a specific pattern, the pattern of black body radiation. (If you have a perfectly black object, it emits electromagnetic radiation, i.e. photons, in this specific pattern)
The measurement of the Cosmic Microwave Background - the remnants of this radiation - gives a black body signature more accurate than anything else measured. If you plot the prediction and the observation curves on the same axes at a normal scale, you don't get two curves - they lie right on top of one another.
That's just one prediction of the theory - there are others.

 

[Abongil]

Origins: Fourteen Billion Years of Cosmic Evolution (Sept 2005)
Origins explores cosmic science's stunning new insights into the formation and evolution of our universe: of the cosmos, of galaxies and galaxy clusters, of stars within galaxies, of planets that orbit those stars, and of different forms of life that take us back to the first three seconds and forward through three billion years of life on Earth to today's search for life on other planets

I told you were making it up.

Someone told me the earth was definitely 4.5 billion years old.

Now 4.5 billion +- 10.5 Billion (error rate)

That is just whack.

You are making it up.

You mistunderstand. The universe is that old, the earth is 4.554 billion years old.

 

[Ryal Kane]

We can all agree that the house was built by men and didn't evolve into existence. The stove was also designed and manufactured by men and was purchased and installed by same. No species evolution involved.

Why do you derail with a point like this? You must realize the point he was making about the age of things. And yet you fail to accept that a fellow creationist could have made such a simple error. It's sadly indicative of many creationists. Do you think a tree is the same age as a mountain that it grows on?

 

[[serious]]

We can all agree that the house was built by men and didn't evolve into existence. The stove was also designed and manufactured by men and was purchased and installed by same. No species evolution involved.

well, in a way houses evolved. Certainly the methods and technologies for building the house were learned from the construction of other houses. Certainly the first shelters built by man weren't so elaborate or advanced. I would say that the way house construction evolved would not be what we think of as biological evolution (aside from the somewhat more complex interbacterial gene exchanges)

 

[Twelve]

The earth is 4.5 billion years old? That's pretty illogical to say. If the earth were that old, then the mountains would have eroded away by now, and wouldn't exist. Also, the Mississippi Delta accumulates enough mud that if the world were as old as they say, the Delta would be in the middle of the Gulf of Mexico.

Just sayin'.

 

[eri]

Fortunately, we get new mountains through plate tectonics. But yes, the Earth is 'only' 4.5 billion years old.

 

[Twelve]

Fortunately, we get new mountains through plate tectonics. But yes, the Earth is 'only' 4.5 billion years old.

Plate tectonics is not a law of nature. It is a hypothesis, or as some like to call it: a theory. We have not seen any mountains appear out of nowhere, nor will we. We simply assume that it is true.

 

[eri]

Theories do not become laws. Plate tectonics is not a hypothesis, but a well-established geological theory. And that's as good as it gets in science. We know that many mountain ranges haven't been there forever - or even a billion years. Take the Himalayas, for instance - only about 70 million years old.

 

[Abongil]

No, we know plate tectonics happens, we know where the fault lines lay (fault lines are the boundaries of plates). We know which ones are compressing, which ones are pulling apart and which ones are sliding against.