Ground Zero Mosque...

[Livindesert]

We have an imam who is a Major and our Battalion chaplain (which I am guessing due to the heavy middle eastern foreign flight training going on here) In an ethics class, he showed us videos how beautiful islam is... We reported it because it was not related to class and it was pure propaganda. Personally, I approach all of them with caution. Some of these people are actively pushing their religion, they are militant in their thoughts, I don't like that, I don't like their religion, and I don't want their religion become majority where I live. That is just me.

I know what you mean about chaplains. We have a Reformed(Calvinist) Chaplain who talks down about other denominations and religions while talking up Calvanist dogma and complains about having woman Chaplains. Really the only balanced Chaplians I have met are either liberal ones or Catholic ones.

 

[Booko]

I know what you mean about chaplains. We have a Reformed(Calvinist) Chaplain who talks down about other denominations and religions while talking up Calvanist dogma and complains about having woman Chaplains. Really the only balanced Chaplians I have met are either liberal ones or Catholic ones.

That's unfortunate to hear. My mother is Calvinist and I attend her church quite often and know the pastor and congregation well.

I have a hard time imagining Pastor Dave doing any of these things.

 

[Booko]

Yes, this is a cliche reminder that Armed Services are mindless robots that are blindly sworn to protect the Constitution. I protect that Constitution because I LOVE MY COUNTRY MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. You can stop anytime now.

I really didn't care to go here, but apparently you don't mind:

How exactly do you know you love your country more than anyone else?

Do you realize how arrogant that comes across in print?

Please don't take this as a question about your patriotism as much as a little unasked for advice in how writing style affects the possibility of having an actual dialogue. It's not a big deal and certainly not meant to be personal. We all spend our lives learning how to hone our communication skills. No matter how good someone is at it, there's always more to learn.

I protect the values she stands for.

So do I. So do others. There are many ways to protect it.

What's your point?

If some 9-11 sympathizer decides to collect money and in an in-your-face move offends the victims and families of those victims on sacred ground where his religion murdered thousands, I OBJECT TO THAT, as a US Citizen I have that right, that has nothing to do with my military creed.

It also seems to have nothing to do with this particular Islamic Center.

Our military exists to protect among other things, our Constitution. Denying someone religious freedom when they are not a danger to this nation is nothing short of shredding that Constitution.

That was my entire point. If the shoe fits put it on. If it doesn't, then don't. That's your call.

Did you know that liberals almost took away my 2nd Amendment rights??? So fragile isn't it? This Islamic center is more of a statement than religious right.

A statement of what, exactly? I hear a lot of foofahrah from talk radio about the intention of this place, but digging a little deeper it turns out to be little more than demagoguery and I am no fan of demagogues.

Demogoguery is what sustains the very thing we're fighting against.

I'm not remotely interested in turning myself or this nation into something just as evil by spewing propaganda and unfounded rumours as "fact" in the same manner al Qaeda does.

And that is why I have the right to object to it, any problems with that?

I wasn't claiming you had no rights to object to things that endanger our nation.

I was questioning the factual nature of your statements concerning this particular Islamic Center.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough about that. Hopefully I am now.

Definitely, you should have SEEN me IN COMBAT!!!

Uh, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Not that it makes a lick of difference, since you can't verify any of this over the Internet, but I have friends and family in theatre in Afghanistan now, and they don't seem to have their knickers in a twist over the thought of an Islamic Center being built close to Ground Zero, probably because they a) bothered to investigate the facts and b) know full well the FBI will be keeping an eye on this place anyway.

Perhaps some of those people in theatre have a different perspective though, because they realize that if we let our homegrown demagogues have their way and deny law-abiding Muslims to practice their religion, they'd be the next group on the chopping block. Oppression is always more apparent when its your own ox being gored, I suppose.

 

[Delphiki]

Some people need to learn that real heroes have a certain level of humility.

 

[Insubres]

No matter how many people someone kills "for this country" that don't make this country theirs... stupid and sick idea. It doesn't belong to the old men, it isn't their right, to give away to such people that would fall for such lies.
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[Livindesert]

No matter how many people someone kills "for this country" that don't make this country theirs... stupid and sick idea. It doesn't belong to the old men, it isn't their right, to give away to such people that would fall for such lies.​

Yea hopefully we can go from us against them to more of a global police/peace force that represents all people.

On another note the whole white= Bad and anything else= good is really a false view as tribal genocide/warfare was going on in the Americas since people first migrated across the land bridge from Asia. But hopefully we can rise above such things and look beyond all racial and cultural labels and just see each other as humans just like we are.

 

[Insubres]

Yea hopefully we can go from us against them to more of a global police/peace force that represents all people.

On another note the whole white= Bad and anything else= good is really a false view as tribal genocide/warfare was going on in the Americas since people first migrated across the land bridge from Asia. But hopefully we can rise above such things and look beyond all racial and cultural labels and just see each other as humans just like we are.

I never said "white=bad anything else=good," and that doesn't justify the extermination and marginalization of Native Americans. The last thing the world needs is another self imposed "peace force" screwing up the world for someone else. All they ever do is kill and then act insulted when the families of their victims don't welcome them, then the "peace force" goes on and wallows in their hubris and claims their unasked for "sacrifice" entitles them to something, land, resources, whatever.

 

[Rationalt]

Yay for freedom of religion!

Yeah, because all Muslims agreed with the bombing of the tower, didn't they? This must be their victory parade!

There are celebrations and people poured in to the middle east streets in joy after the cable networks flashed wtc towers destruction.Perhaps it is the christians and buddhists or may be jews who were shouting Allahu akbar.

 

[Livindesert]

I never said "white=bad anything else=good," and that doesn't justify the extermination and marginalization of Native Americans.

I was just making sure since you refered to "old men" which could be taken in that way. Plus I agree that it dose not justify extermination and marginalization of any people. But to me its shows the need for something like the United Nations peacekeeping force because leaving people alone dose not guarantee that they will act in a utopian manner.