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I ask for your prayers and guidance...not ridicule. I am only human...I do have my problems. I do not need you to point them out to me...I know what they are and I am praying to God for help with them. I am baffled by God's move here. That is all. I thought maybe someone here could help me. My mistake. I thought Christians do not blame each other. I thought Christians try to help each other. I thought I could come here for advice. You do not know the kind of dire passion I have for this girl. I could tell you that I would die for her...and you would not believe me. Words cannot describe it. Do not make the mistake of telling me how I feel or what I am not feeling for that matter...I know what I am feeling. I came here to strengthen that feeling...not question it.
 
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Woah... ok, let's settle down a bit here, mmmkay?


I personally did not see any ridicule happening here, or anyone that was making light of the way you say that you feel about this girl... There is no need to get defensive about your feelings for her, because if they are real... then what do you honestly care if someone from the internet message board agrees with you on that or not? But you asked for advice, and the only way we can give you personal advice, is to draw on our own experiences... and sometimes it may not be what you want to hear.

You asked why most people didn't believe that you could really love this girl like you say you do at 15... and that's because you're not 20-something or 30-something looking back on 15, you're 15 looking at 15... And when some of us were 15, we thought that what we may have felt for certain girls was love too, but it is certainly turned out not to be the case. This is not to say that what you feel is not love, as I have no authority to say that it is or not... only you can really make that call, and more power to you if you do... but don't get upset with someone who only offers their own opinion and experience, just because it may not be what you want to hear.

I know all you wanted to do was find ways to better show this girl your love for her... and if I can offer any advice at all, it's to take time to better learn and know yourself... only then will you be able to give more of yourself to this girl. You are rapidly entering into an age where you will be going through a lot of emotional growth (as you will for the better part of your life), and the better you are at learning and understanding who you are as a MAN, is the only way you will be able to better show a woman true love.

In the meantime, if you want to show this girl you care... just don't be like most other guys and break her heart and treat her like your own personal property, and I can already tell that you don't do that. Too many guys play games and are not genuine at all in their feelings and will only tell women what they want to hear in order to get what they want out of the relationship. The best thing you can do for your girl is to be a real man and treat her like she wants to be treated... and don't do it for your own selfish reasons like how it makes YOU feel, do it because you know how it makes HER feel.
 
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Thank you. I completely agree with you. Thank you for that. I am sorry if I came across a little outraged. I know that it is nobody's fault but my own. I asked for help...and you have all given me that. Thank you. Sorry for my little flare there. Maybe I am just kidding myself. Maybe I am just crazy. Maybe I should just drop everything and screw this whole sense of love. Maybe it is not worth it. Maybe I am just wasting my time. People will always think I am immature, annoying, too young. People will never understand me. Why bother. Why try.
 
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I know how you feel. I for one, completly get what you're trying to convey. You have got to keep your faith in God, first and foremost, he loves you and will never lead you astry. I think age has nothing to do with maturity level, or the capacity to love someone. My friend is just turned 18 and got married one week ago. She has already completed four years of college, and you would never think she was only 18. Her father is a pastor and he whole-heartedly supported the marriage, and he even performed the ceremony.

I don't think its fair to have people judge someone based on age alone. I also don't belive its fair to tell someone they don't know what love is, if you, yourself have already found that special someone. I think its wonderful that you come to a place like this seeking others advice, its very wise and also shows a great level of courage. Its hard to be open to such a broad range of feelings and differant walks of life and i applaud you for thinking on the differant opinions. Don't be discouraged, follow God's lead and your heart and you can't fail.





For all those who care, this is Marissa, and i do love this man. I follow God and place all my trust in him, he brought the two of us together and our lives and relationship is solely in his hands. I appreciate all the comments that have been made.
i love you always
 
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AntheasPrince

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For all those who care, this is Marissa, and i do love this man. I love you always.

Not always. For anyone who cares to read this thread and who knows me, this outraged 15 year old young man was me.

I am Daniel Standish. I dated Marissa Theobald for 6 months. She dumped me on February 20, 2005.

Tears well up in my eyes as I read over these first posts I ever wrote. It is like looking into a time capsule. I see the frightened, frustrated boy I was. And now I am able to see exactly what God's move was.

Remember when I said that this is all like a chess match to me? And that I was confused by God's move here by bringing her into my life? Well I now know exactly what His motive was. God brought us together, so that she would break my heart. By breaking my heart, I now am no longer naive and blinded by love as I once was.

Now I have a beautiful girlfriend, but I made sure she loved me with all her heart before I dated her. And I am willing to accept God's will if He should have us break up in the future.

After I got so mad at you all, after I got so irritated with the news you brought me, you were all very right. And now that almost two years have passed, I apologize to all of you. You were all right. What I was feeling for her was love, but not true love. I thought it was. But what I didn't understand is that true love ... means both people love each other. I loved her with all my heart, but unfortunately for the 6 months we dated, she never gave me the time of day.

After 6 months, the day she dumped me, she told me that she only dated me to use me for high grades in her classes. Once the school year was almost over, she dumped me. I know you probably don't want to hear the full story, but for those of you who care, here it is.

I asked Marissa out when we were at a park near my house. The next day we visited the same park again, and she kissed me in her car. I did not want my first kiss to happen ... I meant to kiss her cheek but she literally pulled me down and kissed my lips. Not exactly romantic since I didn't want it to happen.

That same night we drove back to my house and we told my parents. My parents fully supported us. However, her parents would not allow us to date, so we decided to date anyways in secret. I did not want to do this, but Marissa told me that we either dated in secret, or we didn't date at all. Being my first date, I was naive and I agreed to keep it secret at least for now.

Marissa's brother, Austin, went to our school with us. In order to keep our relationship secret, this would mean that we would have to stay on the DL around him.

Marissa was on the colorguard, I was a trumpet player in the marching band. This meant that we went to the shows together and marched in the same performances together. Marissa would never kiss me in public. She would never hold my hand in public. We told all our friends that we were dating, yet she didn't want anyone to see. This made our relationship very difficult seeing how the only time we were together was at school.

We would secretly call each other late a night on the phone and whisper to each other. She had to hide the phone cable in her pillow because her parents would not allow for her to talk to me. I would always stay up waiting for her, but most the time she would fall asleep waiting for me.

One particular night, I asked her what she had ever done sexually with Brandon (her ex who dumped her right before I asked her out). When I heard the results I started shaking violently. I ran out of my bed into my bathroom and puked into the sink. She heard as her boyfriend threw up at the thought of what she had done. There was always a scar in my heart from that moment on.

I forced myself to forgive her and things carried on. Our relationship began to get a little rough. Every other day we would argue about something. It got to the point where every single day we'd argue. Soon I started to wonder if she loved me at all.

Our marching band called us to a trip to London, England to march for the Queen's New Year's Day Parade. Even in England on our trip, we'd get into fights.

One particular day, we got into an argument and I was so outraged that the entire downstairs of the hotel was watching (all from our marching band). She ran into the elevator and I followed her. When we got to her floor, she slapped me in front of everyone in the Grand Hall. I'll never forget the sound of that hollow echo. It was the first time my girlfriend had ever hit me.

Later on back home in America, things didn't improve. I caught her kissing another guy but I didn't care because I believed that true love would forgive. So I forgave her and moved on. But I didn't realize that she just honestly did not love me and was only using me.

One weekend, she was scheduled to have her wisdom teeth removed. She was so nervous. I held her hand, looked deep into her eyes, and then I comforted her with a kiss. I loved her so incredibly much. She went into the surgery. I prayed for her every single night. I would pray that our relationship would heal. And that God would please point me in the right direction. My parents both saw the way she treated me. They both did not approve of her. And I was mad at them for not seeing things my way.

Marissa woke up from that surgery.

The first thing I ever read from my girlfriend after that surgery, was a long letter dumping me. At first I refused to believe it. But when it finally sank in, I cried and cried and shook for the entirety of the night. I threw up several times and never fell asleep. I cried through all of my classes that next day. I couldn't look at Marissa. She was embarassed whenever I'd cry in our classes. I never did anything to deserve this, and yet it is the way of life.

My good friend Katie was the only one who'd comfort me. Slowly Marissa lost all her friends. All my friends hated her for the way she had treated me these 6 months. All her friends started to hate her for it as well. All in all I stood there completely shattered on shaking knees, utterly heartbroken.

The last school months passed and I forced myself to show her that I could handle life without her. But deep inside me I wanted to die.

I fell to my knees and cried to God, unable to even pray a word. I hated Him. I didn't understand Him. I wanted to literally die. I didn't care.


I post this just to simply get it off my chest. I do not ask for sympathy and do not expect to get any. I just want you all to know that I am a changed man. I am so very glad that God ended our relationship. I am so very glad that God broke my heart. Because now it has shown me how stupid and foolish I was, and has shaped me into the young man I am today.

I have apologized and begged for God's forgiveness for even doubting His wisdom and cursing His holy name. And I want to apologize to all of you for not listening to what you had to say. You were all very right. It was not true love. It was just one of God's stepping stones for my life.

Thank you so much for even reading this. God bless you so very much! Praise be His holy name. Amen.
 
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why can't you two go to the same college?

1) she dumped me many months ago lol

2) right now I live in Florida and she still lives back in California

3) neither of us have the slightest desire for one another anymore lol

4) she didn't want to go away from her "mommy and daddy" even though they physically and emotionally abused her all the time

5) I simply don't want to go to the same college as her anymore lol

[read my previous post... it kinda explains all this]

God bless!
 
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Hah!! Interesting thread.

I read the whole thing without noticing the dates. What a surprise ending.

I was going to post a suggestion that you print the thread out and keep it for a few years to prove how mature your decision was. But I see you did review it and resurrect it.

Now you are a changed man. But you have another girlfriend. If you aren't both seriously considering marriage as the purpose of your relationship, you are going to go through another break-up.

I agree with the post that said if you aren't ready for marriage, you aren't ready for a girl friend.
 
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^ I don't agree. If not for that first girlfriend he'd have never learned a valuable lesson.

You're just lucky you learned the first time. It took several crushes, loves, and relationships to get me past that stage. Then it took a breakup with my current boyfriend and another separate relationship to straighten me out further (He dated another girl as well.) Without all that, I wouldn't be who I am today and I wouldn't be with the man I'm with, and who I fully intend to marry one day.

Being mature enough to date doesn't mean you're mature enough to marry, just as being mature enough to have sex doesn't mean you're mature enough to parent successfully. It takes time, experience, and usually a heck of a lot of sacrifice and several nights spent puking and crying. Been there, done that, lived, learned, and I've become a stronger Christian and a better girlfriend.

Good luck in life. Don't give up faith, even when things absolutely suck and you're wondering why you haven't died from the pain and pressure yet. That which does not kill us only makes us stronger. Learn from your experiences and one day I'm sure you will make a fine husband to a lucky woman.

Oh, and for the record, you were pretty mature for 15. You just weren't experienced. Maturity means nothing if you have no experiences to apply it to. You also have a wonderful way with words. :)
 
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^ I don't agree. If not for that first girlfriend he'd have never learned a valuable lesson.

You're just lucky you learned the first time. It took several crushes, loves, and relationships to get me past that stage. Then it took a breakup with my current boyfriend and another separate relationship to straighten me out further (He dated another girl as well.) Without all that, I wouldn't be who I am today and I wouldn't be with the man I'm with, and who I fully intend to marry one day.

Being mature enough to date doesn't mean you're mature enough to marry, just as being mature enough to have sex doesn't mean you're mature enough to parent successfully. It takes time, experience, and usually a heck of a lot of sacrifice and several nights spent puking and crying. Been there, done that, lived, learned, and I've become a stronger Christian and a better girlfriend.

Good luck in life. Don't give up faith, even when things absolutely suck and you're wondering why you haven't died from the pain and pressure yet. That which does not kill us only makes us stronger. Learn from your experiences and one day I'm sure you will make a fine husband to a lucky woman.

Oh, and for the record, you were pretty mature for 15. You just weren't experienced. Maturity means nothing if you have no experiences to apply it to. You also have a wonderful way with words.

Wow. okay um ... thank you, thank you, and thank you! :)

After reading each line, I found myself saying "amen". It truely does take different lengths of time for different people. Some people learn from one strong heartbreak and that's it. Other people learn from a series of heartbreaks. Fortunately I learned the first time and now know how to prevent my current girlfriend from experiencing a heartbreak (hopefully). I love her and never want her to go through the pain that I had to go through - pain that we all have gone through at one time or another.

On that note, I have a dilema. She has never experienced a heartbreak. Everyone experiences a heartbreak at least once in their life. So um ... what does this mean then? Am I destined to be the one to end up breaking her heart no matter what I do? I don't ever want her to feel that pain, yet I feel like that pain really shaped me into a better man. How will God shape her into a young woman if she has never experienced that feeling before? For example, if you're young, you may "sell" your body. Once you become a victim of rape or abuse, suddenly you've learned your lesson and you start being more aware of the pain. Well right now Anthea has never experienced that pain. How is she supposed to be molded and shaped into a non-naive, mature woman if she's never experienced that pain before? :confused:

Also in agreement to what you said, yes life definately beats us all up lol. Read my first post on this page: http://www.christianforums.com/t2548221-im-getting-married.html&page=95

That story (^) has really shaped and inspired me. No matter what life throws my way, I know I can overcome it. This has made me a very strong-willed person. Unfortunately, another word for "strong-willed" is "stubborn", and that I definately am. I set my sights on a course, and I follow that road, and if anyone tries to interfere, I usually snap or get upset. Right now, stress pretty much dominates my life. I pray every night that God release me from this demon, but I believe He wants me to fight it. So this is my cross and I am carrying it. I am sure anyone currently in college can relate lol. All my friends suffer from some form of insomnia as do I. Life really does beat us up. But through it all, we are only made that much stronger.

That's why I'm a little concerned. If Anthea hasn't been "beaten up" by a heartbreak, how is she supposed to grow in that way? How is she supposed to know not to do certain things? I know not to because I've been hurt once before. But she hasn't. She is still quite young and has her whole life ahead of her - I just hope that I am not the guy who breaks her heart. I pray that I never hurt her in any way, although I know that we all hurt each other a little every once in a while.

I thank my God every night for the beauty He has surrounded me in. My warm home, my loving parents, the food on my table, the clothes on my back, and my beautiful and caring girlfriend who is always there for me. I love her so much, yet it frightens me because I also used to love Marissa with my whole heart. Marissa told me several times that she could never possibly dump a guy as "perfect and loving" as me. Yet she did. Now Anthea also says the same thing - that she loves me so very much and could never dump me. I believe her... it just scares me that Marissa said those same words you know? I've been lied to and decieved before, but I honestly do not believe Anthea would ever do that to me. So I'm kinda caught in this tug-of-war game of life lol, as are we all.

Thank you so much for all your comfort and support. When I first came to CF and posted this thread, I felt like I was recieving so much hostility and no love. Now that I look back at it, I was just plain stupid. I attacked several people that were only trying to help and I still apologize for that. Nothing worse than having your mistakes in writing so everyone can read them over and over again lol. But now I see that there is alot more love on this website than is always apparent initially. Thank you for not completely shutting me down. Heck, thank you for even being interested in this. I'm sure to you it's probably all just another "boyfriend girlfriend gossip thread" lol.

You know, several people have told me that I "have a way with words". I'm still trying to figure out what you all mean by that lol. How so? I just write how I feel and try to express my feelings as accurately as possible. I don't try to be a persuasive writer or something lol.

Thank you all so much. Hugs for all of you! lol :hug: :groupray: :hug:

God bless!
 
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You may never flat-out break her heart, but you're bound to disappoint her in some way eventually. It happens with every relationship, and she can grow just as much from that. Besides, you never know if you two will break up or not. My boyfriend and I broke up, spent the entire summer apart, and dated other people. Now we're back together and more in love than we ever were. Life just tends to have a way of working things out I suppose. :)
 
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Chajara said:
You may never flat-out break her heart, but you're bound to disappoint her in some way eventually. It happens with every relationship, and she can grow just as much from that. Besides, you never know if you two will break up or not. My boyfriend and I broke up, spent the entire summer apart, and dated other people. Now we're back together and more in love than we ever were. Life just tends to have a way of working things out I suppose. :)

Right ... again. lol. Yes I suppose we always could end up breaking up and then coming back together or something. And, trying to be open-minded, I have thought about that as well. Right now I can't imagine my life without her, yet I am prepared to drink from that cup if God so desires. I love God first and foremost - although I admit I tend to have a hellfire way of showing it most the time. He knows where my heart is though, and that I do try to live for Him. He also knows how difficult this test of life is, afterall He created it.

I guess that's just life. I probably will more than likely end up hurting her one way or the other, although we have dated for a year now and neither of us have significantly hurt each other lol. We get along too well. She could completely break down and scream at me ... and I'd probably just apologize and tell her how much I love her. It's so weird. If Marissa had done the same thing, I would have completely flipped out. We never agreed lol. If she'd yell at me, I'd yell right back twice as loud. If Anthea yells at me, I just sit and listen and apologize. It's like Anthea makes me a different person. Perhaps it was Marissa who made me a different man.

Either way, God certainly has done some shaping in me. Thank you again for your input. :hug:
 
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