Green tree and dry

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Jesus said in Luke 23:31; “For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?” We see in nature that when the leaves of a tree are green they are a sign given as to the health of the tree. Just as when we see they are dry the leaves do not flourish in the life of the tree. Just as Jesus said in John 15:4; “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:5; “I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jesus also said in John 14:6; “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” So if we abide in the Word of God, which is the way, truth and life; we also abide in Jesus, and partake in the Life of the tree. And being a part of that tree, we are also told to bring forth fruit unto righteousness, which in turn glorifies the Father. Just as we are shown in John 15:8; “Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.”
But Jesus also said that those branches which did not bear fruit shall be cut off from the Life of the tree. John 15:2; “Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. And this is just what happened to many in Israel when they did not abide in the Word of Life. They were once like a green olive tree as shown in Jeremiah 11:16; “The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.”

This cutting off of the branches of the green Olive tree, is also a sign of the cutting off from the hearing the Word of God, which is the bread of Life, and the water of Life. Just as the Lord told Israel in Amos 8:11; “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:” Which is also why Jesus spoke of the dry season to come for many in Israel. This is when the Light of the World would be removed from the sight of many in Israel, and his voice was not to be heard in them.

The Lord prophesied in Jeremiah 7:34; “Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.
Jesus also confirmed this prophecy of the desolate and dry season when he said in Matthew 9:15;
“And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.

But those who abode in the Word of God, and also the Word in them, were also sanctified by the Spirit of Truth and sealed unto the day of redemption. These would be like the green things of the Lord, which drought, famine, and pestilence would not harm. Revelation 9:4; “And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

But what this world has nourished up and exalted to be highly esteemed, the Lord shall bring low. And what the world has viewed as green, the Lord shall make dry. And what the world has viewed as dry, the Lord shall once again make green. Ezekiel 17:24; “And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

 

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Awesome post bro I have been looking at this a few ways and wasnt sure if I was catching it aright, you did a much better job then I could ever do, maybe you can better help me. This was from a few years back but I had never returned to it, I just set it aside till I saw your post

Not sure if I am catching this right...

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Hosea 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.

Then says here...

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish

Jerm 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Now I set this aside I have it written up a few ways but wasnt catching it yet, but below is my open display of confusion

What of here bro?


Judges 9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

And the wording surrounding here...


1Kings 6:23 And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.


1Kings 6:31 And for the entering of the oracle he made doors of olive tree


1Kings 6:32 The two doors also were of olive tree; and he carved upon them carvings of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, and overlaid them with gold, and spread gold upon the cherubims, and upon the palm trees.


Psalm 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.


Judges 9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?



Jerm 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.


Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Then here... still sorta looking at it


Zech 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.



Zech 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?


Zech 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

So they are referred to as two things, as two trees (and again) two branches


Exodus 35:15 The candlestick also for the light, and his furniture, and his lamps, with the oil for the light,


Numbers 4:9 And they shall take a cloth of blue, and cover the candlestick of the light, and his lamps, and his tongs, and his snuffdishes, and all the oil vessels thereof, wherewith they minister unto it:


Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


Zech 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Ok no perfect order here, just kind of throwing these out, your post was helpful to me because I had looked at these before but havent really gotten too far with them yet, so thank you for your post InSpiritInTruth

God bless you brother

 

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Awesome post bro I have been looking at this a few ways and wasnt sure if I was catching it aright, you did a much better job then I could ever do, maybe you can better help me. This was from a few years back but I had never returned to it, I just set it aside till I saw your post

Not sure if I am catching this right...

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Hosea 14:6 His branches shall spread, and his beauty shall be as the olive tree, and his smell as Lebanon.

Then says here...

2Cr 2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish

Jerm 11:16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree

Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.

Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.

Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear

Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Now I set this aside I have it written up a few ways but wasnt catching it yet, but below is my open display of confusion

What of here bro?


Judges 9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

And the wording surrounding here...


1Kings 6:23 And within the oracle he made two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.


1Kings 6:31 And for the entering of the oracle he made doors of olive tree


1Kings 6:32 The two doors also were of olive tree; and he carved upon them carvings of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, and overlaid them with gold, and spread gold upon the cherubims, and upon the palm trees.


Psalm 52:8 But I am like a green olive tree in the house of God: I trust in the mercy of God for ever and ever.


Judges 9:9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?



Jerm 11:16 The LORD calledthy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.


Romans 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Then here... still sorta looking at it


Zech 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.



Zech 4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?


Zech 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

So they are referred to as two things, as two trees (and again) two branches


Exodus 35:15 The candlestick also for the light, and his furniture, and his lamps, with the oil for the light,


Numbers 4:9 And they shall take a cloth of blue, and cover the candlestick of the light, and his lamps, and his tongs, and his snuffdishes, and all the oil vessels thereof, wherewith they minister unto it:


Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


Zech 4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.


Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Ok no perfect order here, just kind of throwing these out, your post was helpful to me because I had looked at these before but havent really gotten too far with them yet, so thank you for your post InSpiritInTruth

God bless you brother

Yes that is interesting how the Lords 2 anointed are shown as both trees and branches. It is much like the Lord is both the root and the offspring.

This is also shown in the man who's name is called the Branch.

Zechariah 6:12
And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

Jesus was a sign of both the Tree and the branch. This is the sign of the Lords 2 anointed heavenly witnesses(Word and Spirit) bearing witness of Himself through the son of man.

It is like the Lord's anointing oil flowing through the vessel of man.

 

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Here we see the one who's name is called the Branch was determined to be cut off, but not for himself.

Daniel 9:26
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

He became the Branch for a reason.

 

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Yes I recall you speaking of it on another thread, it speaks of cutting off both head tail, branch and... whats the other one in one day?

Sorry Im going off of memory here (which at this time is failing me because my mind is occupied on other things) obviiusly

He also said he come to kindle a fire, and what will ye if it already be kindled, that same wording comes in with the branches of the Olive tree.

I posted to you and I lost it in cyber space and I cant remember what I posted lol

Dont you hate that? Just one of those days for me lol

God bless brother

 

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Here is why He was cut off, but not for himself.

Isaiah 53:8
He was taken from prison and from judgment; and who shall declare His generation? For He was cut off out of the land of the living; for the transgression of My people was He stricken.

 

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Yes I recall you speaking of it on another thread, it speaks of cutting off both head tail, branch and... whats the other one in one day?

Sorry Im going off of memory here (which at this time is failing me because my mind is occupied on other things) obviiusly

He also said he come to kindle a fire, and what will ye if it already be kindled, that same wording comes in with the branches of the Olive tree.

I posted to you and I lost it in cyber space and I cant remember what I posted lol

Dont you hate that? Just one of those days for me lol

God bless brother

With the removal of the Head came also with it the removal of the meat and drink offering for many in Israel.

Joel 1:9
The meat offering and the drink offering is cut off from the house of the LORD; the priests, the LORD's ministers, mourn.

But blessed is he whom the Lord shall give them meat in due season.

 

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Joe 1:16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, [yea], joy and gladness from the house of our God?

Speaks of meat as joy and gladness, as if equal to the same as well, think that goes bro?

 

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Joe 1:16 Is not the meat cut off before our eyes, [yea], joy and gladness from the house of our God?

Speaks of meat as joy and gladness, as if equal to the same as well, think that goes bro?

Absolutely! And all the trees which brought forth meat were not supposed to be cut down per instruction of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 20:20
Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

Ezekiel 47:12
And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

But Israel would cut off and kill those meat bearing trees who were sent unto them.

 

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Absolutely! And all the trees which brought forth meat were not supposed to be cut down per instruction of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 20:20
Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.

Ezekiel 47:12
And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

But Israel would cut off and kill those meat bearing trees who were sent unto them.

You brought up one I tried looking for to understand but I never caught yet, what does the leaf or leaves of the trees signify?

Do you know? Will I smack my forehead for how completely dull I am here or what?

I mean I know its for medicine or healing, so I can say thats what it is but I still dont "know" what it is...

Did I ask that right? lol

What say you on this? Share if you know, I am curious and lost on it

God bless you brother

 

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You brought up one I tried looking for to understand but I never caught yet, what does the leaf or leaves of the trees signify?

Do you know? Will I smack my forehead for how completely dull I am here or what?

I mean I know its for medicine or healing, so I can say thats what it is but I still dont "know" what it is...

Did I ask that right? lol

What say you on this? Share if you know, I am curious and lost on it

God bless you brother

I believe the leaves speak of the health of the tree, and how it, like a person in the Lord shall prosper and provide sustenance, shelter, and a place of rest in their shade for those who are weary.

Here's a Psalm that seems to speak of the same.

Psalm 1:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

Psalm 1


1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

 

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I believe the leaves speak of the health of the tree, and how it, like a person in the Lord shall prosper and provide sustenance, shelter, and a place of rest in their shade for those who are weary.

Here's a Psalm that seems to speak of the same.

Psalm 1:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

Psalm 1


1Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

Yeah see? I found that one escapes me a bit, because I was like, whats the difference between the fruit and the leaves? Like it will say 12 manners of fruit and the leaves are for the healing. I was trying to put my finger down on it.

So I see what you are saying, a healthy tree has green leaves but I suppose considering them as people putting forth the same how would leaves be reccognized? It seems I wouldnt be able to discern between leaves and fruit (really) in the sense its used, so I was like, why on earth divide it Im thinking.

We've heard of a apple a day right?

I combed through to specifically catch exactly whats meant by them and didnt find that one easy thats for sure.

Thanks bro God bless you

 

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Yeah see? I found that one escapes me a bit, because I was like, whats the difference between the fruit and the leaves? Like it will say 12 manners of fruit and the leaves are for the healing. I was trying to put my finger down on it.

So I see what you are saying, a healthy tree has green leaves but I suppose considering them as people putting forth the same how would leaves be reccognized? It seems I wouldnt be able to discern between leaves and fruit (really) in the sense its used, so I was like, why on earth divide it Im thinking.

We've heard of a apple a day right?

I combed through to specifically catch exactly whats meant by them and didnt find that one easy thats for sure.

Thanks bro God bless you

I agree that one is harder to catch than the fruit of the tree. Which by the way seems to be far more important than the leaves, because of what the Lord said.

Luke 13:9
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.


Remember the fig tree Jesus came to when he was hungry, and he found it had only leaves, and no fruit. It was cursed because it had no fruit, and it withered and died.

Most all trees have leaves, but not all trees are good for meat.

 

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I agree that one is harder to catch than the fruit of the tree. Which by the way seems to be far more important than the leaves, because of what the Lord said.

Luke 13:9
And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

John 15:2
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.


Remember the fig tree Jesus came to when he was hungry, and he found it had only leaves, and no fruit. It was cursed because it had no fruit, and it withered and died.

Most all trees have leaves, but not all trees are good for meat.

Exactly! Which is why it almost begs the question, good point bro

God bless you InSpiritInTruth