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Whats their deal?

If you don't know what I am talking about

greenpeace.org is where to start. My instructor seems to be in love with them I think its kind of annoying.

She also hates Bush and no matter what someone says even incoherent babble if they agree with her they get the "credit" :doh:
 

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Whats their deal?

If you don't know what I am talking about

greenpeace.org is where to start. My instructor seems to be in love with them I think its kind of annoying.

She also hates Bush and no matter what someone says even incoherent babble if they agree with her they get the "credit" :doh:


Teachers like that stink and should be confronted with the facts, even if they don't like it. Or you can hold your nose until they pass by.

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I thank GOD for "zealous, radical groups" like "Greenpeace" as they keep important issues in the news and our thoughts. In this world of growing technology, manufacturing and "use" of our planet we do tend to overlook the "end result" of "progress" which many times in the past has been bad.

Sure, many of these groups treat the Earth as their "religion", and many of them are serious "Liberals" stinking of Marijuana; but they serve a useful purpose. I believe in logical, wise and well planned "progress"; not "let's just get it done" and "let's worry about what might happen later".

Yes, you will probably find a lot of Atheists, Agnostics and "all paths lead to GOD" people in Greenpeace, and I would bet many of the members could use a little psychological counseling, but I will not "judge them" I will pray for them.

I will remind you that MANY of the unknown crimes of many large corporations, who dumped waste into our oceans, released toxins into the air and committed numerous other arrogant and illegal abuses of our environment where discovered and made public by groups like these.

So let's not condemn these people to HELL, but pray for their souls, appreciate the good they have done and try to lead them to CHRIST.

In a world dominated by the love and desire for wealth [at all costs], corruption, graft, greed and corporations who can get away with "murder", the existence of organizations which are [equally] as "radical" in the opposite goals tend to balance the score and make it more difficult for those who would take advantage of their "power" to do as much damage to us all.

 
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Whats their deal?

If you don't know what I am talking about

greenpeace.org is where to start. My instructor seems to be in love with them I think its kind of annoying.

She also hates Bush and no matter what someone says even incoherent babble if they agree with her they get the "credit" :doh:

If that's not your own bias speaking, then this is a terrible teacher and probably doesn't deserve their job. Maybe you could speak with someone that could make her go away, and also with the other students to see what they think of her.
 
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Ugh, how long do you have until you finish the class with her?

7 weeks.

I wish it were my bias. Whether someone likes or dislikes Bush is not my problem. You could love Obama all day long if you made a coherent sentence.

One student said something along the lines of

"I disagree with Bush other countries don't agree with us because he doesnt' feel the same as American's (she put an apostrophe there) and I don't agree with him because you don't have to feel the way he feels to be an American" or something it was terrible and the teacher said

"You're right I agree way to be open minded"

Then another guy who said he used to work for the government so he understood how the government sometimes operates she condescendingly told him "Well sometimes its hard to be open minded and think creatively when you're so passionate about something":o

Now we have an assignment where we have to write about how great Obama is as a leader in the green movement.:doh:
 
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In a world dominated by the love and desire for wealth [at all costs], corruption, graft, greed and corporations who can get away with "murder", the existence of organizations which are [equally] as "radical" in the opposite goals tend to balance the score and make it more difficult for those who would take advantage of their "power" to do as much damage to us all.


Some companies and their senior management have got away with causing death. Example: Bhopal and Union Carbide (world's worst industrial disaster).
 
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I'm sorry, could someone explain to me why you all think Greenpeace is so bad??

The vitriol that some throw at Greenpeace is immature and just clouds the issue. So, I'll try to make several points.

First, enviornmental conservation is an important topic. Ignoring the environment equates to being a poor steward of the resources God has given to us.

Second, it is hard to find a moderate environmental group. On the left is Greenpeace and on the right is the Isaak Walton League.

Since the question was about Greenpeace, I'll say that the problem is noted in post #3. Though I don't think it's official, they associate with the Gaia movement. That is a naturalistic, pantheistic movement loosely disguised as science that thinks of "Mother Earth" as a living being made up of all the organisms on the earth.

From that it should be pretty easy to see why they do not agree with Christianity.
 
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First, enviornmental conservation is an important topic. Ignoring the environment equates to being a poor steward of the resources God has given to us.

This is true however greenpeace has earned the title "environmental terrorissts."

YouTube - Greenpeace, a bunch of liars and eco-terrorist

Please pardon the language of the author, he is very adamant.

Eco-Terrorism

A list of events involving eco-terroists.

Protecting the environment is one thing violating someones rights or space to do so is quite another.

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I never said they were so how about staying on topic?

I never said you did - but from the posts it came across as though everyone was against them, so I asked.

Sorry for having a question.

I'll leave your threads alone in future.
 
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Protecting the environment is one thing violating someones rights or space to do so is quite another.

Yes. But "rights" are a very nebulous thing. Companies used to have a "right" to do what is now considered illegal polluting. Sometimes one must take a stand against the rights & laws that are on the books.

People have a habit of dividing resistance into good and bad based on human judgement.

I'm not defending the views of Greenpeace. I don't agree with them. The problem is that the environmental record of those outside the liberal arena is pretty poor. IMO it's one issue where liberals have a right to crow and point fingers at conservatives.
 
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Yes. But "rights" are a very nebulous thing. Companies used to have a "right" to do what is now considered illegal polluting. Sometimes one must take a stand against the rights & laws that are on the books.

People have a habit of dividing resistance into good and bad based on human judgement.

I'm not defending the views of Greenpeace. I don't agree with them. The problem is that the environmental record of those outside the liberal arena is pretty poor. IMO it's one issue where liberals have a right to crow and point fingers at conservatives.


Well I agree that the environment needs to be preserved and utilized as well. There needs to be a balance between use and preservation, however what Greenpeace does is flat out wrong in many ways.

I can't speak for someone else but I certainly and no leftist yet I am much more eco conscience and active than most people I know that wave the eco flag. Many people just use it as a speaking point but don't have a clue how to go about living right in the first place. It would help if the many had some contact with those that actually grow our food then they may get some better ideas on how to utilize what they have and conserve everything. That is how we manage things at my house, waste nothing, recycle everything (as much as possible) and grow your own food (as much as possible). As far as I know this is part of what the Lord wants for us any way, independence and responsibility for our selves, and then of course we should help whom we can when we can while we can. All the country folk I grew up around were like this. Sadly the great migration into the cities has had a dampening effect on what used to be a normal way of life. It would be nice to see people get back to their roots and not stray away from God and His creation of which we should all be a part.

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I don't disagree with the essence of what you're saying. So, my nitpicking is more because I enjoy the conversation than anything else.

Many people just use it as a speaking point but don't have a clue how to go about living right in the first place.

Yep. Education is part of it. I work for a heavy equipment manufacturer that takes a lot of flak from liberal environmental groups for building machines that pollute. What they don't seem to realize is that the machines we make now are cleaner than some cars that are still on the road. The old stuff - the 3rd world stuff - is what does much of the polluting and wasting now. The problem is that the poor can't afford clean machines. A clean world is very expensive and requires the sacrifice of some comfort.

Many people just use it as a speaking point but don't have a clue how to go about living right in the first place. It would help if the many had some contact with those that actually grow our food then they may get some better ideas on how to utilize what they have and conserve everything.

Yep. Like I said: education.

As far as I know this is part of what the Lord wants for us any way, independence and responsibility for our selves, and then of course we should help whom we can when we can while we can. All the country folk I grew up around were like this. Sadly the great migration into the cities has had a dampening effect on what used to be a normal way of life. It would be nice to see people get back to their roots and not stray away from God and His creation of which we should all be a part.

But don't idealize the "pastoral life." I come from a family of farmers. They're people just like other people. Some manage the land well. Some don't.

I don't think God expects us to be "independent." Rather, he wants us to be a community. The truth is, there isn't enough "power density" in human labor to feed the world, and once you turn to machines to augment human labor, big machines do it more efficiently.

So, like all things, it comes down to putting your faith in the right place.

Well I agree that the environment needs to be preserved and utilized as well. There needs to be a balance between use and preservation, however what Greenpeace does is flat out wrong in many ways.

So maybe this should be the question. If Greenpeace doesn't approach the environment in a God-pleasing manner, what would that manner be? I can think of some scripture that speaks to this, but not much. So maybe the details have been left to us (as a community) to figure out.

Given that, and given that it seems liberals have the high ground on this issue, how would a conservative approach to the environment distinguish itself?
 
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So maybe this should be the question. If Greenpeace doesn't approach the environment in a God-pleasing manner, what would that manner be? I can think of some scripture that speaks to this, but not much. So maybe the details have been left to us (as a community) to figure out.

Like many things in life we must first be an example to others, which is what I was getting at. Once we do that then those of like mind will naturally coalesce into a group working together toward a common goal.

Given that, and given that it seems liberals have the high ground on this issue, how would a conservative approach to the environment distinguish itself?

I think that leftists believe they have the high ground, but in reality we are all on the same playing field. For example how may high ground people do you know that quit driving, stopped using machines, don't use electricity, grow their own food, are much like the Amish (these people are about as eco friendly as anyone on earth these days). I don't know any, although there may be some. Actually what is see is some of the biggest hypocrites of all on the left, Al Gore comes to mind, leaving the biggest carbon foot print of all while preaching to others about how to minimize their. Or Nancy Pelosi saying that she is trying to save the planet while flying all over the place in her tax paid jet. No there is a big smoke screen in all of this and most people don't know how to look through the fog and get to the truth.

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