Is there a difference between the vice of greed, and the vice of lust; or are they the same in principle?
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Greed and Lust
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Greed: the desire to have more than you need.
Lust: the desire to... satisfy your desire. Usually framed as a sort of satiable "appetite" (imagery from the physical food/drink realm, typically stretched into the sexual realm).
At best, greed could be considered a type of lust. But the two words definitely indicate different ideas.
Lust: the desire to... satisfy your desire. Usually framed as a sort of satiable "appetite" (imagery from the physical food/drink realm, typically stretched into the sexual realm).
At best, greed could be considered a type of lust. But the two words definitely indicate different ideas.
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Any specific reference to 'lust' in the Bible is normally sexual. This is also the most common dictionary definition.
Greed and lust are probably the two temptations Christians fall short in. The prosperity gospel and the gay christian movements are obvious contemporary examples.
Greed and lust are probably the two temptations Christians fall short in. The prosperity gospel and the gay christian movements are obvious contemporary examples.
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I accidentally voted yes. I meant to vote no.
They are the same in the sense that all sin is the same in that it all stems from pride. In that sense the "7 Deadly Sins" are a bit redundant in that they are pride and six specific forms of pride (greed, lust, anger, sloth, gluttony, envy). But, I do think that greed and lust are not one and the same.
They are the same in the sense that all sin is the same in that it all stems from pride. In that sense the "7 Deadly Sins" are a bit redundant in that they are pride and six specific forms of pride (greed, lust, anger, sloth, gluttony, envy). But, I do think that greed and lust are not one and the same.
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I realize we don't have nearly a good sampling size, but I'm interested in how all five who have voted agree that greed and lust are not the same sin (the one "yes" so far was a mistake). There seems to be a tendancy in many Christian communities not to acknowledge an ontological difference between them.
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Here's my thoughts, giving a real life example... Let's say I have $1mil. I want it all to myself. I'm not searching for more, and I don't spend any of it. I just want it all to myself. Would this not be a good example of being greedy but not lustful?
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The basis for my saying that many seem to treat greed and lust as the same has to do with the numbering of the Ten Commandments.
Some of the more militantly fundamentalist Protestants here and elsewhere argue that their organization of the Commandments is better because it separates making idols from other acts of idolatry. They often have explained that it would be redundant to separate "thou shalt not covet" into "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" and "thou shalt not covet thy neightbor's goods." But it can only be redundant if both commands are talking about the same thing.
I am not saying that all Protestants think that way; only the ones who advance that argument.
Anyway, we have far too small a sampling size for anything useful, but so far only one person says they believe greed and lust are the same.
Some of the more militantly fundamentalist Protestants here and elsewhere argue that their organization of the Commandments is better because it separates making idols from other acts of idolatry. They often have explained that it would be redundant to separate "thou shalt not covet" into "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife" and "thou shalt not covet thy neightbor's goods." But it can only be redundant if both commands are talking about the same thing.
I am not saying that all Protestants think that way; only the ones who advance that argument.
Anyway, we have far too small a sampling size for anything useful, but so far only one person says they believe greed and lust are the same.
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