Great Article on Translation Accuracy

christian-only · Jun 26, 2004

http://www.scionofzion.com/accuratetrans.htm

There is no money to be made on the King James Version since it stays the same from printing to printing. AMEN!!!

SavedByGrace3 · Jun 26, 2004

christian-only said:
http://www.scionofzion.com/accuratetrans.htm

Actually the KJV has gone through several changes since 1611. At least 7 revisions that I know of.

daveleau · Jun 27, 2004

I have been doing some reading and I sent you a PM with a link. LMK what you think.
Dave

PaladinValer · Jun 27, 2004

Great article; too bad it is 1) biased 2) gives only a partial story 3) gives misleading information and 4) uses a few unreliable sources

ClementofRome · Jun 27, 2004

...and here we go again!

daveleau · Jun 27, 2004

ClementofRome said:
...and here we go again!

I agree. There are more benefitial topics than trying to say that Bible translation A is better than Bible tranlsation B. God works through all of the translations that teach His Word.

ClementofRome · Jun 27, 2004

daveleau said:
I agree. There are more benefitial topics than trying to say that Bible translation A is better than Bible tranlsation B. God works through all of the translations that teach His Word.

But if your assumption is that your particular version is somehow salvific, then the discussion becomes evangelistic, no?

I am just being a smart guy. Sorry. I just have no patience or time to beat this dead horse.

Ainesis · Jun 27, 2004

PaladinValer said:
Great article; too bad it is 1) biased 2) gives only a partial story 3) gives misleading information and 4) uses a few unreliable sources

But other than that it is a great article? LOL

thaiv · Jun 27, 2004

What version did the majority read before 1611?

Harry the Heretic · Jun 28, 2004

thaiv said:
What version did the majority read before 1611?

The Geneva bible. Based on the same texts as the KJV.

The Thadman · Jun 28, 2004

christian-only said:
http://www.scionofzion.com/accuratetrans.htm

Has whoever wrote that article actually read the 1611 KJV?

Take a look:

Peace!
-Steve-o

PaladinValer · Jun 28, 2004

Steve, lets not forget those pages that have alternative readings and those that quote the Deuterocanonical books.

ClementofRome · Jun 28, 2004

"waxed grosse..." I love it! Thanks Steve. I needed to be reminded of that.

Harry the Heretic · Jun 29, 2004

Thadman, that's the hendrickson publication of the original. I have it also. I have only found 2 instances of a change when compared to my "updated" KJV. Both were putting one phrase before the other. I believe the argument might be better served in addressing which greek text is better, and why no modern translations prefer the received text. Did God allow a corrupt text to exist until the 19th century?

The Thadman · Jun 29, 2004

Harry the Heretic said:
Thadman, that's the hendrickson publication of the original. I have it also. I have only found 2 instances of a change when compared to my "updated" KJV. Both were putting one phrase before the other. I believe the argument might be better served in addressing which greek text is better, and why no modern translations prefer the received text. Did God allow a corrupt text to exist until the 19th century?

The reason I posted that plate was to show how different the text actually looked when compared to today's KJV. Sure, there are changed spellings, flipped grammar and the not, but there are insertions and deletions.

I personally, do not believe the Greek to be authentic as I lean towards an Aramaic original to most of the NT. In the Greek NT, poetry, puns, and wordplay are lost where mistranslations, polysemy ("split words"), and scribal errors are introduced. I have been researching this for the past four years

Peace!
-Steve-o

Harry the Heretic · Jun 30, 2004

The Thadman said:
The reason I posted that plate was to show how different the text actually looked when compared to today's KJV. Sure, there are changed spellings, flipped grammar and the not, but there are insertions and deletions.

I personally, do not believe the Greek to be authentic as I lean towards an Aramaic original to most of the NT. In the Greek NT, poetry, puns, and wordplay are lost where mistranslations, polysemy ("split words"), and scribal errors are introduced. I have been researching this for the past four years

Peace!
-Steve-o

I have read arguments for both sides (greek vs aramaic) but no serious study.

I have an aramaic copy translated by George M. Lamsa. Is that a good translation or is there one you would recommend? Mine has the ending to Mark, and the account of the adulturous woman in John, but is missing the "three that bear wittness in heaven" verse in 1st John.

God bless

@@Paul@@ · Jun 30, 2004

Harry the Heretic said:
The Geneva bible. Based on the same texts as the KJV.

Harry the Heretic........ ROTFL

............that's awesome. (p.s. i'm a heretic too)

christian-only · Jul 1, 2004

The apostles spoke in Greek - obvious since they started churches all over Greece. Yet, we are expected to believe they wrote to these Greek speaking churches in Aramaic??? Yeah right! I don't write to Mexicans in Japanese! LOL!

The Thadman · Jul 1, 2004

Harry the Heretic said:
I have read arguments for both sides (greek vs aramaic) but no serious study.

I have an aramaic copy translated by George M. Lamsa. Is that a good translation or is there one you would recommend? Mine has the ending to Mark, and the account of the adulturous woman in John, but is missing the "three that bear wittness in heaven" verse in 1st John.

God bless

Lamsa is using the proper text, but do not trust his translation. He's a mystic, not a scholar.

In all Aramaic manuscripts to date, there is no beginning to chapter 8 of John, and the verse in 1st John is not there. These verses were nt original to the NT, and were added later by scribes.

Peace!
-Steve-o

The Thadman · Jul 1, 2004

christian-only said:
The apostles spoke in Greek - obvious since they started churches all over Greece. Yet, we are expected to believe they wrote to these Greek speaking churches in Aramaic??? Yeah right! I don't write to Mexicans in Japanese! LOL!

They could not have been Greek speaking churches, as there is Aramaic poetry, punnery, and scribal errors underlying the Greek text

http://www.aramaicnt.org/index.php?PAGE=1st-Timothy/GreatPoem
http://www.aramaicnt.org/index.php?PAGE=1st-Corinthians/ToBeBurned
http://www.aramaicnt.org/index.php?PAGE=1st-Peter/ZealousEmulation
http://www.aramaicnt.org/index.php?PAGE=Romans/DoWeWaitForIt
http://www.aramaicnt.org/index.php?PAGE=Romans/RighteousMan

And these are just examples

Peace!
-Steve-o

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