That's fine but what exactly are the Ukrainians supposed to be investigating? The Ukrainian Ministry of Justice are not experts, and likely know little, of US law. If they are investigating, it would be against Ukrainian law and I'm not sure exactly what law of theirs he would have broken -- or why we want foreign governments investigating people who were working in their capacity as US government officials. As an example, should we have turned Pres. Bush over to the International Court in The Hague, that wanted to try him on war crimes?
The questions you want answered is if Joe Biden broke any US law, which requires US law enforcement. If they need to investigate things he did in Ukraine, then you use our treaty with Ukraine to do joint investigations -- you don't start in the Ukraine, as they don't know what crimes they are looking for or what evidence is needed to get a conviction in a US court.
And, as others have pointed out, it was widely believed that Shokin was corrupt by most in the US government. There is evidence, including testimony from various Cabinet and sub-Cabinet officials, that their departments (State, CIA, DoD) signed off on the idea of firing Shokin. You even have Republican Senators that signed a letter in support of the plan. This is why it would be tough to make a compelling case, particularly without evidence from the US, that Biden was anything other than the representative of the US government giving Ukraine our requirements to give them the loan.
I personally think Giuliani, particularly the work he did with his "clients" Fruman and Parnas, may end up being one of the major keys to this whole investigation. This is doubly true since Trump was having Giuliani do the investigating (and it had apparently been going on for a couple of years) and never talked to AG Barr, or asked him to open an investigation into the Bidens. I also think this is what makes Trump look so bad, the fact he was doing, and asking the Ukrainians to help, with what appears to be a private investigation.
You and I had this discussion before. You’re making the same points that were repudiated previously.
The Ukrainian Ministry of Justice are not experts, and likely know little, of US law.
They wouldn’t necessarily need to. Why? Well, first, Trump isn’t suggesting he only was interested in, if interested at all, in legalities. Rather, he is looking to see if Biden improperly threatened withholding U.S. funds for the purpose, at least in part, to terminate an investigation into the company in which his son sat on the board for the benefit of his son and I suppose himself, in seeking to keep the investigation into a company his son is directly associated with from occurring.
Second, Trump may just want to know the facts, what happened, for the purpose of evaluating whether a law was violated. That wouldn’t require Ukraine to know U.S. law.
The questions you want answered is if Joe Biden broke any US law
Gee, for a moment there, I thought I had a grasp of the questions I wanted answered. Who knew you had knowledge of the unasked question that I really wanted answered. I’m so relieved you are here to tell me what I want.
That is not the question I want answered and, well, I’ve specifically stated what I want answered, and legality isn’t it. You aren’t getting anywhere by framing questions for me as if I asked them when I didn’t.
you don't start in the Ukraine
Right, because you say so! Okay. Well, I say the opposite. There. I can make equally vacuous and valueless statements like your own. It’s fun.
Oh wait, your supporting reasoning is the gem below:
as they don't know what crimes they are looking for or what evidence is needed to get a conviction in a US court.
Too bad Trump isn’t necessarily obsessed with a criminal aspect, and even if he was, Ukrainians need not know the law, just gather facts, and Trump and attorneys can then assess those facts for a crime.
Nothing you’ve said makes any sense and doesn’t show Trump’s narrative as false, or he knew or should’ve known Biden didn’t act inappropriately.
