Grace pure grace!

[EmSw]

Wrong covenant. Hope that you aren't living under that one, but, I suspect you are, and that might be the problem. . .

Does God change? Does God condone sin now?

Do you condone sin, and think you will be saved by continuing to live in sin?

 

[EmSw]

Incorrect. Guess again.

Perhaps you think Moses, David, and Paul continued to live ungodly lives and in worldly lusts.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Ephesians 2.8: 'By grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God'.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Does God change? Does God condone sin now?

Do you condone sin, and think you will be saved by continuing to live in sin?

There is an Abrahamic Covenant and a Mosaic Covenant. Get them twisted, and your theology is twisted. Most Arminians mix the two.

As long as you are saved by grace, I am.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Perhaps you think Moses, David, and Paul continued to live ungodly lives and in worldly lusts.

All three, very used of God, were murderers, yet the penned most of Bible, and David was a man after God's own heart. I wonder how that is. . .

 

[nobdysfool]

Those who live ungodly in worldly lusts do not look for the blessed hope, so it wasn't written to them. Those who live ungodly and in worldly lusts are natural; the things of God are foolishness to them.

Thank you for agreeing with me on that.

It was written to those who are zealous of good works.

Those who are zealous of good works are those who have been saved. The good works they are zealous of are those ordained by the Holy Spirit, those works that God fore-ordained that they should walk in them.

And yet, here is the answer to my question:

Tit 3:3-7 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. (4) But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, (5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; (7) That being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

The letter of James was written to the beloved brethren. Here is what he says to them -

James 1
19 So then, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath;
20 for the wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.

James told the beloved brethren lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, AND receive the implanted word, WHICH IS ABLE TO SAVE YOUR SOULS.

According to James, we do that AND receive the implanted word, which is able TO SAVE OUR SOULS. Not laying aside all filthiness and wickedness, and not receiving the implanted word will not save us.

Good grief, you dance all around it, but you won't come out and answer my question in a straightforward manner! It's not a hard question, nor does it require a soliloquy to answer it.

You do not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness in order to GET saved, those actions are a result of BEING saved! You are advocating that we clean up ourselves BEFORE we come to Christ, and the Holy Spirit, through Paul and others, is saying the opposite.

So, answer my question.

Do men do Titus 2:11-12 to GET saved, or do they do it BECAUSE they ARE saved?

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[EmSw]

There is an Abrahamic Covenant and a Mosaic Covenant. Get them twisted, and your theology is twisted. Most Arminians mix the two.

As long as you are saved by grace, I am.

All covenants have this in common - walking blameless before God and keeping the covenant.

Genesis 17
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:
4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
9 And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.
10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;
11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.
13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

Perhaps this is the covenant you are living under. God told Abraham to walk before Him and be blameless. God did not make provisions for Abraham to continue in sin. And please notice, those who were not circumcised, have broken the covenant and will be cut off.

 

[EmSw]

All three, very used of God, were murderers, yet the penned most of Bible, and David was a man after God's own heart. I wonder how that is. . .

They did not continue to be murderers. There's the crux of the issue.

I think your belief lets a person continue in sin and still be saved. If not, just let me know.

 

[EmSw]

Thank you for agreeing with me on that.

So, you agree with me that those who live ungodly in worldly lusts are not saved. Why were you hesitant in answering this?

Grace teaches a man to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age. A man who does not deny these things is not saved, as you said above, you agree with this.

Those who are zealous of good works are those who have been saved. The good works they are zealous of are those ordained by the Holy Spirit, those works that God fore-ordained that they should walk in them.

Again, is a man without good works saved? Please, just a yes or no this time.

And yet, here is the answer to my question:

Tit 3:3-7 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. (4) But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, (5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (6) Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; (7) That being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Is a man who continues to be foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, and hateful saved? Again, a yes or no will suffice.

Good grief, you dance all around it, but you won't come out and answer my question in a straightforward manner! It's not a hard question, nor does it require a soliloquy to answer it.

Oh, you mean dance all around it like you do. I see; you have different rules than I do.

You do not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness in order to GET saved, those actions are a result of BEING saved! You are advocating that we clean up ourselves BEFORE we come to Christ, and the Holy Spirit, through Paul and others, is saying the opposite.

It is the filthiness and wickedness from which we are saved. How is it a man is saved while living in sin? James said to lay aside all filthiness and wickedness and receive the implanted word (do you see the order?), which is able to save your soul. So, according to James how is man able to save his soul?

So, answer my question.

Do men do Titus 2:11-12 to GET saved, or do they do it BECAUSE they ARE saved?

Both! You lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, or as Ezekiel says, cast away all your transgressions to make yourself a new heart and new spirit.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

All covenants have this in common - walking blameless before God and keeping the covenant.

Genesis 17
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:
4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
9 And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.
10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;
11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.
13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

Perhaps this is the covenant you are living under. God told Abraham to walk before Him and be blameless. God did not make provisions for Abraham to continue in sin. And please notice, those who were not circumcised, have broken the covenant and will be cut off.

Who "signed" this contract?

I'll give you a hint, Abram was sleeping at the time.

Who signed the other?

Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.”

8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

 

[Lords Man]

So does everyone get faith? If they do then why don't they all believe?

NO! God has 'election' mercy on whom He wills to and He hardens those whom He wills to (Romans 9:11-18). He only gives faith to His elect.

 

[EmSw]

Who "signed" this contract?

I'll give you a hint, Abram was sleeping at the time.

So Abram knew nothing of the covenant, being asleep, right? Here is that covenant:

Genesis 15
17 And it came to pass, when the sun went down and it was dark, that behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a burning torch that passed between those pieces.
18 On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: “To your descendants I have given this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the River Euphrates—
19 the Kenites, the Kenezzites, the Kadmonites,
20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.”

Here is the covenant of which I was speaking:

Genesis 17
1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am Almighty God; walk before Me and be blameless.
2 And I will make My covenant between Me and you, and will multiply you exceedingly.”
3 Then Abram fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying:
4 “As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be a father of many nations.
5 No longer shall your name be called Abram, but your name shall be Abraham; for I have made you a father of many nations.
6 I will make you exceedingly fruitful; and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come from you.
7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and your descendants after you.
8 Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.”
9 And God said to Abraham: “As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations.
10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised;
11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you.
12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant.
13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant.”

This covenant is in effect as long as Abraham kept it. Notice verse 14 especially. Those who do not keep or obey the covenant are cut off.

Who signed the other?

Then he took the Book of the Covenant and read it to the people. They responded, “We will do everything the Lord has said; we will obey.”

8 Moses then took the blood, sprinkled it on the people and said, “This is the blood of the covenant that the Lord has made with you in accordance with all these words.”

A covenant is between two people who agree with the terms of the covenant.

If one of the parties do not keep the provisions of the covenant, then the covenant is null and void. If the children of Israel did not keep and obey the terms of the covenant, they were cut off, and there are many examples for us to read.

Now I will ask you, did you sign a contract to enter a covenant? Actually, signing a contract involves a person saying they will do everything the Lord has said, and obey the contract.

 

[nobdysfool]

So, you agree with me that those who live ungodly in worldly lusts are not saved. Why were you hesitant in answering this?

Because you're trying to change the playing field.

Grace teaches a man to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts, and live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age. A man who does not deny these things is not saved, as you said above, you agree with this.

Where did I ever say that I didn't? You seem to be intent on making it look as though I said things i didn't say. There's a word for that. It's called dishonesty.

Again, is a man without good works saved? Please, just a yes or no this time.

As soon as you answer my question.

Is a man who continues to be foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, and hateful saved? Again, a yes or no will suffice.

As soon as you answer my question.

Oh, you mean dance all around it like you do. I see; you have different rules than I do.

i didn't dance around anything. I asked you a very straightforward question, and YOU did the dancing. Then you try to pull me into your playing field, and I will not do so.

Now, answer my question.

It is the filthiness and wickedness from which we are saved. How is it a man is saved while living in sin? James said to lay aside all filthiness and wickedness and receive the implanted word (do you see the order?), which is able to save your soul. So, according to James how is man able to save his soul?

Man cannot save his soul. That's what you refuse to see. GOD saves souls.

Eph 2:1-10 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved (6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Both! You lay aside all filthiness and wickedness, or as Ezekiel says, cast away all your transgressions to make yourself a new heart and new spirit.

THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. THAT IS YOUR SPIN ON SALVATION THAT MAKES YOU THE SAVIOR, AND GOD YOUR HELPER AND VALIDATOR.

The Scripture in Ephesians, quoted above completely negates your idea that you can save yourself, by any means, no matter how hard you try.

You do not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness in order to BE saved, you set those aside because you ARE saved. While you were dead, God quickened you, and the result was newness of life, putting off the filthiness and wickedness which you walked in before God apprehended you. You didn't do that to obtain salvation, you did it because you had obtained salvation. That is the only way you could have done so. To claim that you did by yourself is to boast, and God does not listen to boasters.

You did not answer my question properly, and I can only conclude that you either wouldn't, or couldn't.

Game, set, match.

QED

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[EmSw]

Because you're trying to change the playing field.

Nope, the same playing field.

Where did I ever say that I didn't? You seem to be intent on making it look as though I said things i didn't say. There's a word for that. It's called dishonesty.

Again, I will ask, if a man does not deny worldly lusts and ungodliness, is he saved?

As soon as you answer my question.

I did.

As soon as you answer my question.

I did.

i didn't dance around anything. I asked you a very straightforward question, and YOU did the dancing. Then you try to pull me into your playing field, and I will not do so.

Okay, is a man saved if does not deny ungodliness and worldly lusts?

Now, answer my question.

I did.

Man cannot save his soul. That's what you refuse to see. GOD saves souls.

I never said I save my own soul. Now you are adding to what I said. And isn't that what you accused me of? Boy, talk about dishonesty.

Eph 2:1-10 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (2) Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: (3) Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. (4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved (6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: (7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

If a man still walks in trespasses and sins, is he saved? If a man still behaves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling those desires, is he saved? If a man is disobedient, what spirit works in him?

Are you saying God made you alive with Christ, you can still live in the desires of the flesh, and still walk according to the course of the world?

Let me give you another passage from Titus.

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

If a man professes to know God, but deny Him in works, are they saved? Does it not take good works for a man to not deny God? If a man is abominable, disobedient, and yet professes to know Him, is he saved?

THAT DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. THAT IS YOUR SPIN ON SALVATION THAT MAKES YOU THE SAVIOR, AND GOD YOUR HELPER AND VALIDATOR.

Calm down; it answers your question. Oh, I thought the Holy Spirit was a helper. If the Spirit does not help, can I be saved?

And please quit putting words in my mouth. I never said I was the savior. Wow, you keep doing what you accuse others of doing. Please stop that!

The Scripture in Ephesians, quoted above completely negates your idea that you can save yourself, by any means, no matter how hard you try.

Quit putting words in my mouth; how many times must you be told? I never said I save myself.

You do not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness in order to BE saved, you set those aside because you ARE saved. While you were dead, God quickened you, and the result was newness of life, putting off the filthiness and wickedness which you walked in before God apprehended you. You didn't do that to obtain salvation, you did it because you had obtained salvation. That is the only way you could have done so. To claim that you did by yourself is to boast, and God does not listen to boasters.

So, I ask you again, is a man saved if he does not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness?

Once again, you put words in my mouth. I never I did it by myself. This is a figment of your imagination.

You did not answer my question properly, and I can only conclude that you either wouldn't, or couldn't.

Game, set, match.

I did answer. And NF, we aren't playing tennis.

You are in the wrong playing field.

 

[nobdysfool]

Nope, the same playing field.



Again, I will ask, if a man does not deny worldly lusts and ungodliness, is he saved?



I did.



I did.



Okay, is a man saved if does not deny ungodliness and worldly lusts?



I did.



I never said I save my own soul. Now you are adding to what I said. And isn't that what you accused me of? Boy, talk about dishonesty.



If a man still walks in trespasses and sins, is he saved? If a man still behaves in the lusts of the flesh, fulfilling those desires, is he saved? If a man is disobedient, what spirit works in him?

Are you saying God made you alive with Christ, you can still live in the desires of the flesh, and still walk according to the course of the world?

Let me give you another passage from Titus.

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

If a man professes to know God, but deny Him in works, are they saved? Does it not take good works for a man to not deny God? If a man is abominable, disobedient, and yet professes to know Him, is he saved?



Calm down; it answers your question. Oh, I thought the Holy Spirit was a helper. If the Spirit does not help, can I be saved?

And please quit putting words in my mouth. I never said I was the savior. Wow, you keep doing what you accuse others of doing. Please stop that!



Quit putting words in my mouth; how many times must you be told? I never said I save myself.



So, I ask you again, is a man saved if he does not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness?

Once again, you put words in my mouth. I never I did it by myself. This is a figment of your imagination.



I did answer. And NF, we aren't playing tennis.

You are in the wrong playing field.

You answered by asking ridiculous questions, rather than just provide what was a simple answer. There is this assumption on your part that most professing Christians are actually not, because you accuse them of all sorts of sins, as though that were the habitual and natural state of those who have received Christ. Seems to me you don't think God does a very good job of bringing them out of sin, and into His Light. And I think it is your belief that all Calvinists are such men, which is preposterous.

Where do you get such ridiculous notions? You have accused me more than once of excusing sin, and not once have you ever acknowledged that overcoming sin is a progression, an on-going process. You seem to believe that unless men immediately abandon all sin, and even sins they are not aware of, that they are unsaved, and false Christians. In that, you hold men to a higher standard than even God. God grants Grace, and if need be He disciplines His own, so that they grow, and mature. How many times has God shown you Grace, when you have sinned? And you are nowhere near "sinless perfection", as evidenced by the manner in which you speak to those you perceive to be your enemies. You endeavor to entrap people, you lay traps for them, your manner is to defeat people, not persuade them. You want to vanquish your own brethren for whom Christ has died, and saved.

I have exposed some things in your theology that don't bode well for your theology, whether you think so or not. I'm sure you think you've "won" this little exchange, but you have not. I exposed things you try to gloss over. The readers will decide who won. You're not half as clever as you imagine yourself to be.

 

[EmSw]

You answered by asking ridiculous questions, rather than just provide what was a simple answer. There is this assumption on your part that most professing Christians are actually not, because you accuse them of all sorts of sins, as though that were the habitual and natural state of those who have received Christ. Seems to me you don't think God does a very good job of bringing them out of sin, and into His Light. And I think it is your belief that all Calvinists are such men, which is preposterous.

NF, I don't think my questions are ridiculous. I think they get to the heart of the problem of continuing to sin. If my assumption is that most Christians are actually not (and I will leave this to your righteous judgment), then your assumption is that a man can continue in ungodliness, worldly lusts, and darkness and be saved.

I know God does a great job of bringing man out of sin, but man had rather stay in his sin instead of casting them away to make himself a new heart and new spirit, had rather not lay aside all filthiness and wickedness. It all has to do with man's free will to decide if he wants to stay with his sins, or remove them. Once he freely chooses to remove them, God is excellent in bringing man out of his sins. If you freely choose not to remove your sins, then He says, 'He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still;' (Revelation 22:11).

Where do you get such ridiculous notions? You have accused me more than once of excusing sin, and not once have you ever acknowledged that overcoming sin is a progression, an on-going process. You seem to believe that unless men immediately abandon all sin, and even sins they are not aware of, that they are unsaved, and false Christians. In that, you hold men to a higher standard than even God. God grants Grace, and if need be He disciplines His own, so that they grow, and mature. How many times has God shown you Grace, when you have sinned? And you are nowhere near "sinless perfection", as evidenced by the manner in which you speak to those you perceive to be your enemies. You endeavor to entrap people, you lay traps for them, your manner is to defeat people, not persuade them. You want to vanquish your own brethren for whom Christ has died, and saved.

To answer your accusation, I will ask, have you cast away all your iniquities to make yourself a new heart and new spirit? Your answer will reveal whether it is a ridiculous notion or not, and whether you excuse yourself of sin.

What seems to be my intentions to you, is like vapor in the winds of your imagination.

Just what is God's standard for men? To remain in their sins? To keep their ungodly desires? To hold on to their filthiness? To be a slave to sin and obey their master?

I have never used the words 'sinless perfection'. If you perceive yourself to be my enemy, then its origin lies within your mind.

How is telling others of God's will for them to cast away, lay aside, and remove sins establish me as wanting to vanquish my brethren?

I have exposed some things in your theology that don't bode well for your theology, whether you think so or not. I'm sure you think you've "won" this little exchange, but you have not. I exposed things you try to gloss over. The readers will decide who won. You're not half as clever as you imagine yourself to be.

Yes, you are the great exposer, even if it's in your mind. You've exposed Ezekiel 18:31 as not being required by God for making a new heart and new spirit for man. Great job!

There are no winners and losers in this present world. Eternity will reveal if God's word is truth and whether man should have cast away, laid aside, and removed his evil and wickedness. However, if you want to declare yourself the winner, I will concede and I will even buy you the pedestal to stand on, so everyone can see your magnificence as Alexposer the Great.