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Grace is not to be balanced with the law. But maturing into Grace requires the law.

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The church is mainly made up of Gentiles who became Christians. Unlike Jews, Gentiles do not know anything about the law or the perfect standard of God. Usually, people come to church because of brokenness (in need of physical healing or emotional distress) or invited by friends.

Without the knowledge of the law, we do not know what the flesh and sin is.

To operate in the flesh does NOT mean to sin. Operating in the flesh is like a TWO-edged sword. One side is following the desires of your flesh which will lead to sin. The other side is to use your flesh (will-power, determination, perseverance and other good traits in human) to do good deeds or obey the law. When you think you are doing well, pride arose, and you will eventually end up failing and falling flat on the ground.

Peter was a very good example of a disciple of Jesus who depended on the flesh to follow Jesus. Before Jesus was capture, he was telling Jesus that he will not deny him and will die with him.

Matthew 26:35 Peter said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!” And so said all the disciples.

But fearing death, Peter denied knowing Jesus three times.

Everyone is who not born again, is living in the flesh. The flesh sometimes does good works. But God does not accept everything that is from the flesh. Everyone who tries to earn their own salvation through the flesh is condemn.

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

If good works from the flesh alone can earn salvation apart from the work of Christ, then Jesus died in vain!

New or immature Christian will try to combat sin by obeying the law with their flesh. Since we have been living in the flesh since birth and that is the only way we know and operate.

The first step to Christian maturity is knowing what the flesh is, and sin comes from the flesh.

The law empowers the flesh to act. From the flesh spring forth sin and no good thing.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

After endless cycle of obeying and failing which is like a refining process to remove dependence on self (flesh).

The second step to Christian maturity is to know our helplessness. The more we depend on ourselves (flesh), the more we fail.

Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

The third step to Christian maturity not to be law and sin conscious. To do that, we must know what Jesus did for us and as us on the cross.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins

Jesus has fulfilled the law on our behalf so that we are no longer under law. The law demanded that all sinners be put to death. When Jesus went to the cross, he went to the cross representing us. We have been put to death with Jesus and the payment for all our sins have been paid. With all our payment paid, the law is done with us, and we are no longer under it.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The fourth step is focus on Jesus and remind yourself of what he has given and did for you. It will help you to be humble and grounded. When you encounter a problem, you will pray before doing.

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God

The fifth step is to learn how to walk in the Spirit. The Lord knows all things including our beginning and our end. He knows what is to come for tomorrow and nothing catches him by surprise. For we do not know what is to come for tomorrow, but the Holy Spirit is God, and he knows. By praying in tongues, we are allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede to the Father on our behalf.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Conclusion:

For a Christian, the final stop for maturity is Grace. The law is just a stepping stone to the final stop. Without the law, we will not know our helplessness for salvation and how much Jesus has love and given to us. From the Law to Grace, it is like from infancy to adulthood.

1 Timothy 1: 8-9 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers

Law and Grace cannot be mixed. They represent different stages of Christian growth and maturity.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
 

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The church is mainly made up of Gentiles who became Christians. Unlike Jews, Gentiles do not know anything about the law or the perfect standard of God. Usually, people come to church because of brokenness (in need of physical healing or emotional distress) or invited by friends.

Without the knowledge of the law, we do not know what the flesh and sin is.

To operate in the flesh does NOT mean to sin. Operating in the flesh is like a TWO-edged sword. One side is following the desires of your flesh which will lead to sin. The other side is to use your flesh (will-power, determination, perseverance and other good traits in human) to do good deeds or obey the law. When you think you are doing well, pride arose, and you will eventually end up failing and falling flat on the ground.

Peter was a very good example of a disciple of Jesus who depended on the flesh to follow Jesus. Before Jesus was capture, he was telling Jesus that he will not deny him and will die with him.

Matthew 26:35 Peter said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!” And so said all the disciples.

But fearing death, Peter denied knowing Jesus three times.

Everyone is who not born again, is living in the flesh. The flesh sometimes does good works. But God does not accept everything that is from the flesh. Everyone who tries to earn their own salvation through the flesh is condemn.

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

If good works from the flesh alone can earn salvation apart from the work of Christ, then Jesus died in vain!

New or immature Christian will try to combat sin by obeying the law with their flesh. Since we have been living in the flesh since birth and that is the only way we know and operate.

The first step to Christian maturity is knowing what the flesh is, and sin comes from the flesh.

The law empowers the flesh to act. From the flesh spring forth sin and no good thing.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

After endless cycle of obeying and failing which is like a refining process to remove dependence on self (flesh).

The second step to Christian maturity is to know our helplessness. The more we depend on ourselves (flesh), the more we fail.

Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

The third step to Christian maturity not to be law and sin conscious. To do that, we must know what Jesus did for us and as us on the cross.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins

Jesus has fulfilled the law on our behalf so that we are no longer under law. The law demanded that all sinners be put to death. When Jesus went to the cross, he went to the cross representing us. We have been put to death with Jesus and the payment for all our sins have been paid. With all our payment paid, the law is done with us, and we are no longer under it.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The fourth step is focus on Jesus and remind yourself of what he has given and did for you. It will help you to be humble and grounded. When you encounter a problem, you will pray before doing.

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God

The fifth step is to learn how to walk in the Spirit. The Lord knows all things including our beginning and our end. He knows what is to come for tomorrow and nothing catches him by surprise. For we do not know what is to come for tomorrow, but the Holy Spirit is God, and he knows. By praying in tongues, we are allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede to the Father on our behalf.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Conclusion:

For a Christian, the final stop for maturity is Grace. The law is just a stepping stone to the final stop. Without the law, we will not know our helplessness for salvation and how much Jesus has love and given to us. From the Law to Grace, it is like from infancy to adulthood.

1 Timothy 1: 8-9 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers

Law and Grace cannot be mixed. They represent different stages of Christian growth and maturity.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
It sounds logical, but is it biblical? Paul tells the Christians at Ephesus that it is by grace they were saved (or became Christians):

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in [His] kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; [it is] the gift of God,” (Eph 2:4-8 NKJV)

It is by God's grace that we are saved, so grace cannot be "the final step to Christian maturity."

And where in the bible do we find that we need to allow the Holy Spirit to intercede to the Father on our behalf? We do read that the Holy Spirit intercedes for us:

“Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.” (Ro 8:26 NKJV)

Nothing there about us allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede for us, nor about us speaking in tongues in order to allow Him to do so.
 
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Gentiles do not know anything about the law
The law is now this and Gentiles are very much aware of it if they have been regenerated by His Holy Spirit.

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37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”
 
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The church is mainly made up of Gentiles who became Christians. Unlike Jews, Gentiles do not know anything about the law or the perfect standard of God. Usually, people come to church because of brokenness (in need of physical healing or emotional distress) or invited by friends.

Without the knowledge of the law, we do not know what the flesh and sin is.

To operate in the flesh does NOT mean to sin. Operating in the flesh is like a TWO-edged sword. One side is following the desires of your flesh which will lead to sin. The other side is to use your flesh (will-power, determination, perseverance and other good traits in human) to do good deeds or obey the law. When you think you are doing well, pride arose, and you will eventually end up failing and falling flat on the ground.

Peter was a very good example of a disciple of Jesus who depended on the flesh to follow Jesus. Before Jesus was capture, he was telling Jesus that he will not deny him and will die with him.

Matthew 26:35 Peter said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You!” And so said all the disciples.

But fearing death, Peter denied knowing Jesus three times.

Everyone is who not born again, is living in the flesh. The flesh sometimes does good works. But God does not accept everything that is from the flesh. Everyone who tries to earn their own salvation through the flesh is condemn.

Romans 8:13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

If good works from the flesh alone can earn salvation apart from the work of Christ, then Jesus died in vain!

New or immature Christian will try to combat sin by obeying the law with their flesh. Since we have been living in the flesh since birth and that is the only way we know and operate.

The first step to Christian maturity is knowing what the flesh is, and sin comes from the flesh.

The law empowers the flesh to act. From the flesh spring forth sin and no good thing.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

After endless cycle of obeying and failing which is like a refining process to remove dependence on self (flesh).

The second step to Christian maturity is to know our helplessness. The more we depend on ourselves (flesh), the more we fail.

Romans 7:15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

The third step to Christian maturity not to be law and sin conscious. To do that, we must know what Jesus did for us and as us on the cross.

Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins

Jesus has fulfilled the law on our behalf so that we are no longer under law. The law demanded that all sinners be put to death. When Jesus went to the cross, he went to the cross representing us. We have been put to death with Jesus and the payment for all our sins have been paid. With all our payment paid, the law is done with us, and we are no longer under it.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The fourth step is focus on Jesus and remind yourself of what he has given and did for you. It will help you to be humble and grounded. When you encounter a problem, you will pray before doing.

Philippians 4:6 Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God

The fifth step is to learn how to walk in the Spirit. The Lord knows all things including our beginning and our end. He knows what is to come for tomorrow and nothing catches him by surprise. For we do not know what is to come for tomorrow, but the Holy Spirit is God, and he knows. By praying in tongues, we are allowing the Holy Spirit to intercede to the Father on our behalf.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Conclusion:

For a Christian, the final stop for maturity is Grace. The law is just a stepping stone to the final stop. Without the law, we will not know our helplessness for salvation and how much Jesus has love and given to us. From the Law to Grace, it is like from infancy to adulthood.

1 Timothy 1: 8-9 But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers

Law and Grace cannot be mixed. They represent different stages of Christian growth and maturity.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

This post has a confused idea of the concept of "law" (nomos) in the New Testament.

"Law" can mean a general principle,
or the law of Moses, given to the Jews,
or a stand-in for some standard of conduct that someone may try to keep,
in order to be righteous.

"Grace" (xaris, xarizomai) in the New Testament is a very broad category,
that roughly correlates with the Old Testament hesed. It means the
kind providence of God. Only a small slice of this meaning deals with the
forgiveness of sin. (It can mean kindness, or love, or mercy, or the
lovingkindness of God, ....)

Your post mixes up these multiple meanings, resulting in a confusing
discussion of ideas that do not really correlate with words used in the Old
Testament and New Testament.
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For example, read Psalm 136.
The refrain "For his mercy/love endures forever", is a statement about
the biblical concpet of "grace".
This is all about the concept of "grace" (hesed) in the Old Testament.
But, most modern Christians have no idea what the kind providence of God means,
either in the Old Testament of the New Testament.

For example, the apostle Paul uses nomos with all 3 different meanings. But
modern Christians reading Paul in English translations, often miss that the core
word "law" can have very different meanings in the Bible. This results in strange
interpretations of what Paul (supposedly) is meaning.

If an argument is not using definitions that correspond to biblical concepts,
then the arguments produced are "logically unsound".

This post is so confused, in its basic definitions, that the arguments probably
all fall into the category of being "logically unsound".
 
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