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[Arthra]

If everyone agrees there is only One God then the question is settled... there may be many different theologies also but these spring from factions and sects that people clung to...

- Art

 

[Secundulus]

If everyone agrees there is only One God then the question is settled... there may be many different theologies also but these spring from factions and sects that people clung to...

- Art

- If there is a God, then it is not unreasonable to expect that there are also other spirits.

- Worship may be misdirected to a spirit other than God either intentionally or unintentionally.

- Therefore, just because somebody is worshipping a spirit, does not mean they are worshiping the One God.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Arthra
If everyone agrees there is only One God then the question is settled... there may be many different theologies also but these spring from factions and sects that people clung to...

- Art

Hi Art. With Christ-ians there is only ONE NAME that saves, Jesus the Christ, unless of course you don't believe the Bible. Muslims and Jews [and Baha'is] can of course have their own view of YHWH and His CHRIST. Peace.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Acts 4:11`This is the Stone [Isaiah 28]that was set at nought by you--the builders, that became head of a corner; 12 and there is not salvation in any other, for there is no other NAME under the heaven that hath been given among men, in which it behoveth us to be saved.'

Reve 1:17 And when I saw Him, I fall toward the feet of Him as dead, and He places the right hand of Him upon me saying: "No be fearing! I am the first/before-most and the last. 18 and the living One! And I became dead, and behold, I am living into the Ages of the Ages, and I am having the Keys of the Hades and of the Death

 

[Futuwwa]

That issue was settled with Marcion diring the second century.

And what does he have to say about it?

Based on the OT only you get the Jewish view of God, which is mutually exclusive with the Christian one, ergo, they're different gods.

 

[Secundulus]

And what does he have to say about it?

Based on the OT only you get the Jewish view of God, which is mutually exclusive with the Christian one, ergo, they're different gods.

Marcion said the God of the Old Testament was different from the God of the New. He wanted to discard the Old Testament and only wanted to recognize the writings of Paul, and a few others, as being authentic.

After some discussion, the Church declared him a heretic.

You do have a good question though, and I had to think a while on how to answer it.

Christianity is not Judaism. This is true and Jesus is quoted as saying as much. He said, to paraphrase a parable, that you do not put new wine in old wine skins. In other words, what he was teaching was different from what Judaism was in the first century.

However, we believe he is the Son of God because he said so and then raised from the dead. He was also understood to say that he was the same as the God of the Old Testament and that the Jews had misunderstood and perverted his message.

This is standard Christian belief, so if this is true, what can we deduce from what Mohammed said?

He contradicted most of Jesus' message and said that salvation was based solely on how well you performed your duties as commanded by God; not unlike Judaism. He also denied that Jesus was who he said he was or that he was even crucified.

Both of these two beliefs cannot be true because they specifically contradict each other on Jesus, the nature of God, and the message of salvation.

We worship the God who gave us our message and you worship the spirit who gave Mohammed his message. Either they are different or God is a liar or one of two men made something up.

 

[R3quiem]

I think that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all worship the same god, but in clearly different ways. They all claim to worship the God of Abraham, and Abraham only had one god, so they all must be worshiping the same god.

Many Christians say that since Muslims don't acknowledge the trinity, they can't be worshiping the correct God and therefore they are worshiping a false god, but I disagree with that entirely. There are many threads in other parts of this forum that ask the question of whether Christianity and Islam worship the same God, and many of those threads consist of hundreds of posts of heated disagreement.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all worship the same god, but in clearly different ways. They all claim to worship the God of Abraham, and Abraham only had one god, so they all must be worshiping the same god.

Many Christians say that since Muslims don't acknowledge the trinity, they can't be worshiping the correct God and therefore they are worshiping a false god, but I disagree with that entirely. There are many threads in other parts of this forum that ask the question of whether Christianity and Islam worship the same God, and many of those threads consist of hundreds of posts of heated disagreement.

Jews and Muslims do not read the book of Revelation so how can we expect them to understand the Bible the way we do?
The Muslims believe it is a pagan greek book. WHY?

Gene 22:10 And Abraham put forth his hand, and took the knife/03979 ma'akeleth,--to Slaughter/07819 shachat his son. 11 Then called out unto him the messenger of Yahweh, out of the heavens, and said, Abraham, Abraham! And he said, Behold me!

Revelation 5:9 and They sing a New Song, saying, `Worthy art thou to take the scroll, and to open the seals of it, because Thou wast Slaughtered, and didst purchase/hgorasaV <59>Us to God in Thy blood, out of every tribe, and tongue, and people, and nation,

 

[Secundulus]

I think that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all worship the same god, but in clearly different ways. They all claim to worship the God of Abraham, and Abraham only had one god, so they all must be worshiping the same god.

Not so.

22 Who is the liar but &#65279;the one who denies that Jesus is the &#65279;Christ? This is &#65279;the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
23 &#65279;Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.​

http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=37769995#_ftn5

http://www.christianforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=37769995#_ftnref5New American Standard Bible : 1995 Update. 1 Jn 2:22-23

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Not so.

22 Who is the liar but &#65279;the one who denies that Jesus is the &#65279;Christ? This is &#65279;the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.
23 &#65279;Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also.​

New American Standard Bible : 1995 Update. 1 Jn 2:22-23

I wonder who the Muslims believe the anti-christ is in that case.
Christ-ianity has quite a few views and some of them have been pretty "far-out" there.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/antichrist/antichrist1.htm

Innumerable works have been written, countless sermons have been preached, and myriads of tracts have been circulated on the subject of antichrist. The one outstanding feature, however, which attracts one's attention and which must be very perplexing to the average individual, is the confusion which exists, and which characterizes all such efforts. Generally speaking, every scholar has a different doctrine, and every teacher a different understanding of who the antichrist is or will be. And hence, as all doctrines cannot be correct, all therefore must be wrong, with the exception of one.

Vast multitudes of people believe that any minute Jesus will appear in the sky and whisk away (rapture) those who are saved and take them to heaven to enjoy the Kingdom of God. They teach that the Kingdom of God is heaven and that it has no relationship with the earth. For these the &#8220;end time&#8221; means the cataclysmic end of the universe, the destruction of the earth by fire, the sending of all unbelievers and wicked people to eternal damnation in hell, and the establishing of an eternal order of bliss for the saved in some far-off heaven somewhere.

Others teach that the Kingdom of God is purely earthly, and that it will be a political and social structure enforced on earth for a thousand years at the return of Jesus Christ with His saints to rule and reign. This theory has been popularized by the Scofield Bible. To these the Kingdom of God is the restored kingdom of Israel fulfilling the Davidic covenant. Jesus offered this kingdom to the Jews, but they refused; therefore Christ withdrew His offer and postponed it until a future time when they would accept Him as their King. When that day comes, they say, Jesus will come back and set His feet upon the mount of Olives. His saints with Him, He will come to the eastern gate of Jerusalem.

 

[hannahfievel]

Well, now I sit still confused! I can give what I think may be possible. I do believe in One God who sent Jesus to us...to save us!

Now, why would He have sent Mohammed...which the doctrines of the quran seem so different than the bible my jewish mother read, and the NT I read! Can God be called by "many other names"? Or should we as Christians believe that HE KNOWS HIS OWN? And, not judge another?

BTW....Was Mohammed without sin? I just don't understand how two peoples from Abraham got so messed up! But, still praying for understanding, amen! Thank you all for interesting words to ponder...hannah