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[hannahfievel]

Hello,

I was reading through a variety of threads and had a question. Are Allah and Yahweh one in the same? Just curious as to what some may think about this subject, thanks! Sincerely, hannah

 

[vedickings]

Hello,

I was reading through a variety of threads and had a question. Are Allah and Yahweh one in the same? Just curious as to what some may think about this subject, thanks! Sincerely, hannah

They are the same God, just different names.

 

[Futuwwa]

They are, because the Quran says so

 

[baobobtree]

Hello,

I was reading through a variety of threads and had a question. Are Allah and Yahweh one in the same? Just curious as to what some may think about this subject, thanks! Sincerely, hannah

I'd say so. I don't really know why many people think they're different deities, it's like saying Yahweh and God the father are two different gods.

 

[Red530]

Yeah...Allah and Yahweh are the same God to me.

 

[anatolian]

there are too many ways to answer this question.I haven't seen the name Yahweh in Quran but if it is a good name I can say yes because every good names belongs to Allah.

 

[Abbadon]

Arabic speaking Jews and Christians refer to God as Allah, and Allah and Elohim come from the same proto-semitic name.

However, whether or not Jews, Christians, and Muslims worship the same deity is still up for grabs after that. It's fairly easy to argue for Judaism and Islam worshipping the same deity. Christianity teaches trinitarian monotheism and that Jesus is God incarnate, so it's easy to argue that Christians worship a seperate deity. However, Christianity branched off from Judaism, and the first Christians didn't see worship of the God of the Christians as something seperate from the God of the Jews. I myself remain agnostic on Christianity's relation to the other Abrahamic religions.

 

[Liberate]

Hello,
I was reading through a variety of threads and had a question. Are Allah and
Yahweh one in the same? Just curious as to what some may think about this
subject, thanks! Sincerely, hannah

It is etymologically and linguistically
impossible for allah to be synonymous with YHWH, since both are
meant to be proper nouns, YaHWeH, or YHWH, YeHoVaH, or the latinized
form JeHoVaH is meant to be the proper name of the God of the bible, this
is not just a generic term like 'el',
or it's plural elim/elohim, or the singular of the
plural of 'elohim'; eloah.
The name of God YHWH occurs more times in the bible than
'elohim', 'eloah',
'elim', and 'el' combined;
yet the quran does not have this proper name of God. It does not seem strange
to islam that it has God's name as "the god" (this is
what allah in arabic means, yet this is also the quranic's god
true proper noun name!), it would be the equivalent of
you being a human but your name is "the human".
There is no equivalent for the proper noun name of God in
the entire quran. Islam claims God's name is
'allah' and that it was always
'allah'.
Linguistically and etymologically the only name in hebrew that matches with
'allah' is spelt and pronounced exactly the same
'allah', it has the exact same root and etymology
in both languages, and it refers to an "oak tree" in
hebrew.
The plural of 'el' 'elohim' occurs
several times in the bible, and sometimes even false gods and angels, are known
as 'elohim'. This is not and was never the proper
name of the God of the bible, which is uncontestedly
'YaHWeH' or the tetragrammaton YHWH. It is
well known that after Isaiah the name of God was replaced with Adonai out of
respect.
The equivalent of the name of God in arabic is
YAHWAH(it is etymologically the same as the hebrew
YAHWEH, the french YaHVE,
the german JaHVe, the english
JeHoVaH, and the spanish
JeHoVa, my point is any objective individual can see
quite clearly that the roots are synonymous in their corresponding languages,
allah is nowhere near ) this is the proper noun name of God used throughout the
arabic bible, never once is allah substituted as the proper noun
name of God in the arabic bible.

Unfortunately allah does not mean God. It means "the
god" It is a proper name of something, and the word
'allah' is nowhere found as the proper noun name of
the God of the bible at all. If they were the same surely they would have the
same proper noun name?
According to the best arabic lexicon, it states the source of allah is related
to
the great serpent, a new moon, as it was an
object or worship of the ancient arabs, i.e a pagan diety
that has no relevance to the God of christianity.

 

[Abbadon]

Linguistically and etymologically the only name in hebrew that matches with
'allah' is spelt and pronounced exactly the same
'allah', it has the exact same root and etymology
in both languages, and it refers to an "oak tree" in
hebrew.

Actually, you're refering to Elim, which means "mighty" or "lords" or "oak trees."

According to the best arabic lexicon, it states the source of allah is related
to
the great serpent, a new moon, as it was an
object or worship of the ancient arabs, i.e a pagan diety
that has no relevance to the God of christianity.

Incorrect.

If you actually looked at the lexicon you quoted in the link you provided, they're discussing different forms of the word when the serpent is mentioned. It's like saying Christians are polytheists because 'God' and 'Gods' come from the same root, or saying that Christians worship Thor because Thor was sometimes refered to as "Gott," the root of the English word God. Actually read your sources and don't twist them about.

YHWH isn't a proper noun, it's a general form of "to be," harkening back to "I am that I am" and "who was, is, and shall be." Allah isn't a proper noun, either, it's less of a proper noun than YHWH is.

"Allah" is used by Arabic speaking Jews and Christians in reference to God as we use the term God, and the ancient Israelites would refer to God at times as Elohim. Your assertion that there is some major difference between words meaning "God" in a monotheistic sense and "The God" is ludicrous at best: they both mean the same thing.


The differences aren't going to be found from linguistics, it's in theology that they're going to be found.

 

[Liberate]

Hello,
I was reading through a variety of threads and had a question. Are Allah and
Yahweh one in the same? Just curious as to what some may think about this
subject, thanks! Sincerely, hannah

It is etymologically and linguistically
impossible for allah to be synonymous with YHWH, since both are
meant to be proper nouns, YaHWeH, or YHWH, YeHoVaH, or the latinized
form JeHoVaH is meant to be the proper name of the God of the bible, this
is not just a generic term like 'el',
or it's plural elim/elohim, or the singular of the
plural of 'elohim'; eloah.
The name of God YHWH occurs more times in the bible than
'elohim', 'eloah',
'elim', and 'el' combined;
yet the quran does not have this proper name of God. It does not seem strange
to islam that it has God's name as "the god" (this is
what allah in arabic means, yet this is also the quranic's god
true proper noun name!), it would be the equivalent of
you being a human but your name is "the human".
There is no equivalent for the proper noun name of God in
the entire quran. Islam claims God's name is
'allah' and that it was always
'allah'.

Linguistically and etymologically the only name in hebrew that matches with
'allah' is spelt and pronounced exactly the same
'allah', it has the exact same root and etymology
in both languages, and it refers to an "oak tree" in
hebrew.

Actually, you're refering to Elim, which means "mighty" or "lords" or "oak trees."

If you honestly knew what you were talking about you would not make such a statement.
Joshua 24:26:

And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the sanctuary of the LORD.

Strong's concordance for the above word:

427 'allah al-law' A variation of 424:--oak.

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=hebrewlexicon&isindex=427

The plural of 'el' 'elohim' occurs
several times in the bible, and sometimes even false gods and angels, are known
as 'elohim'. This is not and was never the proper
name of the God of the bible, which is uncontestedly
'YaHWeH' or the tetragrammaton YHWH. It is
well known that after Isaiah the name of God was replaced with Adonai out of
respect.
The equivalent of the name of God in arabic is
YAHWAH(it is etymologically the same as the hebrew
YAHWEH, the french YaHVE,
the german JaHVe, the english
JeHoVaH, and the spanish
JeHoVa, my point is any objective individual can see
quite clearly that the roots are synonymous in their corresponding languages,
allah is nowhere near ) this is the proper noun name of God used throughout the
arabic bible, never once is allah substituted as the proper noun
name of God in the arabic bible.

Unfortunately allah does not mean God. It means "the
god" It is a proper name of something, and the word
'allah' is nowhere found as the proper noun name of
the God of the bible at all. If they were the same surely they would have the
same proper noun name?

According to the best arabic lexicon, it states the source of allah is related
to
the great serpent, a new moon, as it was an
object or worship of the ancient arabs, i.e a pagan diety
that has no relevance to the God of christianity.

Incorrect.
If you actually looked at the lexicon you quoted in the link you provided, they're discussing different forms of the word when the serpent is mentioned.

Like all classical lexicons Lane's lexicon has the root first and then it's offshoots. The great serpent, a new moon, as it was an
object or worship of the ancient arabs, are encapsulated in 'ilaha/ilaaha', which precedes 'allah'. Lane further states on the succeeding page under allah "originally ilaha or ilaaha.

What the lexicon was showing was the offshoots of 'ilaha/ilaaha' i.e it's masculine and feminine plural derivatives which all signify idols, the meanings of serpent, new moon, object of worship are filed under ilaha because it's origins are steeped in idol worship. The next page of that lexicon states that allah is "originally ilaha or ilaaha". The implication is crystal clear.

It's like saying Christians are polytheists because 'God' and 'Gods' come from the same root, or saying that Christians worship Thor because Thor was sometimes refered to as "Gott," the root of the English word God

Your analogy fails in that no christian is claiming "Thor" is God's true name and was always God's true name, as muslims claim for allah.

YHWH isn't a proper noun

Take it up with the bible, because this is what it says is God's name
Exodus 3: 14- 15

14 God said to Moses, I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the
Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'
15 God also said to Moses, Say to the Israelites, 'The LORD, the God of your
fathers— the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob— has sent me
to you.' This is my name for ever, the name by which I am to be remembered from
generation to generation.

Allah isn't a proper noun, either, it's less of a proper noun than YHWH is

Find a muslim who is willing to agree that allah is not a proper noun, this is what islam itself believes; I fail to see the point in a discussion when the religion is not being allowed to speak for itself, neither do I see what it is you are arguing about, there is no lexicon anywhere that supports 'allah' was arabicized from 'YHWH'(This is a little surprising seeing they are meant to be sister languages). This is apparently the name of God "for all generations". The fact that this name is omitted entirely from the quran, even though alledgedly there are meant to be the same God is glaring. Sure languages changes with time, war and politics has forced allah into arabic bibles, and God indeed judges the heart, the OP wanted to know if allah and Yahweh are the same, do muslims accept Jesus as God? do christians accept Mohammed as a prophet? then we clearly do not worship the same God, I understand many christians would like to find common ground as a means of fostering some kind of ecumenism, and to live in peace, but the truth is there is no ecumenism to be had, and neither is there any peace, like someone once said "The religion of peace is out there, it can't be bargained with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse, it absolutely will not stop until you are a dhimmi or dead". You have already admitted theologically there are not the same, and neither is the evidence etymologically.

 

[BruceDLimber]

Hi, Hannah!

Are Allah and Yahweh one in the same?

Most assuredly!

God has many names in the different languages and cultures!

A few of these are God, Dieu, Boje, Gott, Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, Wankantanka, Bog, and Dios.

All are equally acceptable, and all refer to the same One God!

Best regards,

Bruce

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Bump........Interesting thread and there is also a discussion on "ALLAH" on the Nicene board. Peace.

http://www.christianforums.com/t5921679-catholics-and-allah.html

 

[Touma]

Yes and No. Yes if a christian uses it, but no if its reference to the Muslim God. The judeo-christian God is different, because in christianity we believe Christ to be God, while Muslims say prophet isa was just a prophet.

 

[peepnklown]

Are Allah and Yahweh one in the same?

I would say that the foundation is the same but, the house may look different.

 

[Futuwwa]

Yes and No. Yes if a christian uses it, but no if its reference to the Muslim God. The judeo-christian God is different, because in christianity we believe Christ to be God, while Muslims say prophet isa was just a prophet.

If so, what's so judeo-christian about your god? The Jews don't believe Jesus to be God either, do they also worship a different god?

"Judeo-Christian" is probably the most widely used oxymoron in the history of the universe.

 

[evange]

No. Becuase if you look at their atributes and personalities, they are diffrent.

It doesnt matter that the words mean the same thing, the being they are refering to is fundamentally diffrent.

 

[Secundulus]

Hello,

I was reading through a variety of threads and had a question. Are Allah and Yahweh one in the same? Just curious as to what some may think about this subject, thanks! Sincerely, hannah

No they are not the same. Their philosophies are different and mutually exclusive.

 

[Snowbunny]

No they are not the same. Their philosophies are different and mutually exclusive.

hola

according to the Catechism (at 840) they are the same. but I understand what you are saying... the best way to think about this is that despite using a yet unheard of name "Allah" we acknowledge mohamed claimed to be a messenger from the God of Abraham. so do not let the change of name decieve you, the biblical "YHWH" is the God he claimed to speak from and is the God he directed his followers to worship.

whether he actually was a prophet of God is another matter entirely, the catechism is equally clear about that too.

Dominus tecum

 

[Futuwwa]

No. Becuase if you look at their atributes and personalities, they are diffrent.

It doesnt matter that the words mean the same thing, the being they are refering to is fundamentally diffrent.

No they are not the same. Their philosophies are different and mutually exclusive.

Would you folks be equally willing to apply the same reasoning to the OT God relative to the NT God?

This question has always proven to be a show-stopper when Christians try pointing to theological differences to claim we Muslims worship a different god.

 

[Secundulus]

Would you folks be equally willing to apply the same reasoning to the OT God relative to the NT God?

This question has always proven to be a show-stopper when Christians try pointing to theological differences to claim we Muslims worship a different god.

That issue was settled with Marcion diring the second century.