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Gospel of John + Clash of religions
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<blockquote data-quote="AbrahamicTheist" data-source="post: 70091045" data-attributes="member: 390545"><p>Greetings,</p><p>(Please excuse my unpolished English <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />)</p><p>Before I unfold my question, let me introduce my background. I am a living clash between two long lasting lineages of religious backgrounds. From my father's side I have a long genealogy of Muslims (including my father), and from my mother's side I have a long genealogy of Christians whom ended practicing their faith due to Communist ideology that repressed my grandparents' faith in their youth. Their faith has been replaced by left-wing ideology and they still remain sceptical of the Christian hierarchy so naturally, they didn't raise their daughter (my mother) as a Christian. Still, they got many crucifixes and icons in their home...</p><p>My father never pushed Islam on me. Yes, until I was 10 years old I visited a local Sunni Mosque from time to time, but not regularly, and it was more like just for the experience and food. I even used my father as a rocking horse when he was doing prostration sometimes <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p>But now, I am 19 years old, and I see that the Abrahamic religions indeed possesses a large portion of truth. I slowly transformed from the Atheist/I don't care perspective to Abrahamic theist worldview.</p><p>But what is the only salvation-based aspect that differs in these religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)? It's the Law + Jesus. I am trying to study the Bible, but once I find a verse that proves that Jesus can be God, I can with the same ease find a verse that rebukes it. But one book of the Bible that stands out is the Gospel of John. Whenever someone quotes verse about Jesus' divinity, it's most likely from the Gospel of John, which brings the question: Is it even reliable? Why none other Synoptic Gospel is so much "straight to the face" like John is?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Therefore - 1) Could you provide me with some verses that testify about Jesus' divinity except from the Gospel of John, and the Pauline epistles? From the OT and Synoptic Gospels only, respectively.</p><p>2) And what about the Law? Jesus clearly stated: " For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.</p><p>Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - <a href="http://www.christianforums.com/bible/matthew/5:18-19/" target="_blank">Matthew 5:18-19</a> Christians say that the Law has been fulfilled, but has it been though? With the same ease I hear the Christians tellling Jews that he will fulfill the rest of Messianic prophecies after his Second Coming. By that logic, the Law of Moses would be still in place.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbrahamicTheist, post: 70091045, member: 390545"] Greetings, (Please excuse my unpolished English :)) Before I unfold my question, let me introduce my background. I am a living clash between two long lasting lineages of religious backgrounds. From my father's side I have a long genealogy of Muslims (including my father), and from my mother's side I have a long genealogy of Christians whom ended practicing their faith due to Communist ideology that repressed my grandparents' faith in their youth. Their faith has been replaced by left-wing ideology and they still remain sceptical of the Christian hierarchy so naturally, they didn't raise their daughter (my mother) as a Christian. Still, they got many crucifixes and icons in their home... My father never pushed Islam on me. Yes, until I was 10 years old I visited a local Sunni Mosque from time to time, but not regularly, and it was more like just for the experience and food. I even used my father as a rocking horse when he was doing prostration sometimes :D But now, I am 19 years old, and I see that the Abrahamic religions indeed possesses a large portion of truth. I slowly transformed from the Atheist/I don't care perspective to Abrahamic theist worldview. But what is the only salvation-based aspect that differs in these religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam)? It's the Law + Jesus. I am trying to study the Bible, but once I find a verse that proves that Jesus can be God, I can with the same ease find a verse that rebukes it. But one book of the Bible that stands out is the Gospel of John. Whenever someone quotes verse about Jesus' divinity, it's most likely from the Gospel of John, which brings the question: Is it even reliable? Why none other Synoptic Gospel is so much "straight to the face" like John is? Therefore - 1) Could you provide me with some verses that testify about Jesus' divinity except from the Gospel of John, and the Pauline epistles? From the OT and Synoptic Gospels only, respectively. 2) And what about the Law? Jesus clearly stated: " For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - [URL='http://www.christianforums.com/bible/matthew/5:18-19/']Matthew 5:18-19[/URL] Christians say that the Law has been fulfilled, but has it been though? With the same ease I hear the Christians tellling Jews that he will fulfill the rest of Messianic prophecies after his Second Coming. By that logic, the Law of Moses would be still in place. [/QUOTE]
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