From what I read, they were very limited experiments.
Besides, it really doesn't matter anyway. It is expected that two lineages will diverge far enough that cross-breeding is no longer possible.
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Stalin tried it. It never worked.
From what I read, they were very limited experiments.
Besides, it really doesn't matter anyway. It is expected that two lineages will diverge far enough that cross-breeding is no longer possible.
When you say "expected" do you mean "they don't know".
Is it another evolutionary guess because it has never been actually observed?
How the earliest genomes came to be is not known. However, to evidence common ancestry between gorillas and humans, you hardly need to go back to the beginning of life.
I mean what I wrote. I mean "expected".
You have already agreed that it is observed. Gorillas and humans don't reproduce. We have mountains of evidence demonstrating that they share a common ancestor.
We can use the example of horses and donkeys if you want. Do you doubt that they share a common ancestor?
You'll be lucky to see a molehill.... -_-
Hi Mark,
Just curious, what do you mean by Creationists are having some fun with this one? Who are 'Creationists' in your assessment?
When you say "expected" do you mean "they don't know". Is it another evolutionary guess because it has never been actually observed?
You miss a lot of things when you refuse to look.
This is funny!Speak without knowledge and all you do is prove your ignorance! Lol! Like I haven't dealt with this subject for years or anything! It's always the same. Here's a brief summary of my experience for you:
Evolutionist:"THERE'S A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE!" Creationist:"Ok, can you show us this mountain?" Evolutionist:"YOUR JUST ANTI-SCIENCE!" Creationist:"I just asked for the evidence." Evolutionist:"YOU JUST CAN SEE IT CAUSE YOU HATE SCIENCE! WE UNDERSTAND IT AND YOU CREOTARDS ARE JUST STUPID!"
Creationist:"Ok so still waiting for that evidence..." Evolutionist:"YOU STUPID <explicitive> <explicitive> CREOTARD!"
Creationist:"I see..."
Few, if any exist, and none in the nice neat order evolutionists need to "prove" evolution. The only place the fossil record is in the correct order, is in textbooks.Okay, how about all the fossils showing transitions between now separate species of animal?
See above. Also, this is incorrect. In almost no place do the fossils line up as needed. Remember the horse evolution sequence? Small problem, "modern" horses are found in layers that predate the "ancient" horse. Remember tiktalik? Oops! Modern foot prints were found in layers dated older than tiktalik. And on and on and on...about the geological position of the fossils show that older species where simpler and less distinct?
Oy, how many times are we going to go over this? Gimme a minute and I'll post a link to a thread here that shows your statement is incorrect. There's too much information to rehash it all here.How about the pattern of ERV insertions that show a nested hierarchy of life, particularly between humans and other great apes?
Or you can ignore this and other evidence and keep bearing false witness against your neighbours.
This is funny!Speak without knowledge and all you do is prove your ignorance! Lol! Like I haven't dealt with this subject for years or anything! It's always the same. Here's a brief summary of my experience for you:
Evolutionist:"THERE'S A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE!" Creationist:"Ok, can you show us this mountain?" Evolutionist:"YOUR JUST ANTI-SCIENCE!" Creationist:"I just asked for the evidence." Evolutionist:"YOU JUST CAN SEE IT CAUSE YOU HATE SCIENCE! WE UNDERSTAND IT AND YOU CREOTARDS ARE JUST STUPID!"
Creationist:"Ok so still waiting for that evidence..." Evolutionist:"YOU STUPID <explicitive> <explicitive> CREOTARD!"
Creationist:"I see..."
This is funny!Speak without knowledge and all you do is prove your ignorance! Lol! Like I haven't dealt with this subject for years or anything! It's always the same. Here's a brief summary of my experience for you:
Evolutionist:"THERE'S A MOUNTAIN OF EVIDENCE!" Creationist:"Ok, can you show us this mountain?" Evolutionist:"YOUR JUST ANTI-SCIENCE!" Creationist:"I just asked for the evidence." Evolutionist:"YOU JUST CAN SEE IT CAUSE YOU HATE SCIENCE! WE UNDERSTAND IT AND YOU CREOTARDS ARE JUST STUPID!"
Creationist:"Ok so still waiting for that evidence..." Evolutionist:"YOU STUPID <explicitive> <explicitive> CREOTARD!"
Creationist:"I see..."
It's been a while since I have taken up the topic but the Gorilla Genome was finally sequenced in 2012. There are a couple of insights, one I expected but the other came as a big surprise.
Overall:
In 30% of the genome, gorilla is closer to human or chimpanzee than the latter are to each other; this is rarer around coding genes, indicating pervasive selection throughout great ape evolution, and has functional consequences in gene expression.
Brain Related:
Genes expressed in the brain or involved in its development have not typically been associated with positive selection in primates, but our results show that multiple great ape lineages show elevated dN/dS in brain-related genes when evaluated against a primate background.
Insights into hominid evolution from the gorilla genome sequence (Nature, 08 March 2012)
Of course, Creationists are having some fun with this one:
Gorilla Genome Is Bad News for Evolution
I'll be back later to see how the discussion develops.
Grace and peace,
Mark
Like I haven't dealt with this subject for years or anything! It's always the same.
I think you're going to some bad sites, then.
I can recommend one that's pretty good, thoguh. With actual scientists who work in the field and quickly respond to creationists in a timely, professional manner. Would you like to go there?
Spiderbyte wrote:
Um, of all the different lines of evidence you have been shown, have you read this concise summary of 29 different lines of evidence that show the same family tree of common descent?
29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent
in Christ-
Papias
If it's talkorigins, or league of reason, or any like that, no thanks! That's where I the experience for my above post from...
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