God's word all

[bdennis]

Has the concept that God's word all includes everyone and everything, ever entered into the mind of a sinner?

 

[Hillsage]

Has the concept that God's word all includes everyone and everything, ever entered into the mind of a sinner?

Don't know the answer to that. But I do know that " does not include all, has entered" into the mind of many a "saint".

Because of that...and because you are 'apparently' new here (welcome )...I must warn you that to pursue this line of 'free' thinking, you better go to the 'unorthodox' forum where you are FREE to do so. It is the safest way to be in compliance with the letter of the law here. It's also a law/freedom I am truly thankful for. And, even better yet, the 'unorthodox sub-forum' is even under two "CHRISTIAN ONLY" supra-forums to boot.

 

[bdennis]

Hello, and thanks for the welcome. You miss the whole point, a Christian is not a sinner, a sinner is of the devil 1 John 3:8, so if you are a sinner, do not be calling yourself a saint. A Christian has the same mind of Christ and has ceased from sin 1 Peter 4:1, and does not sin and cannot sin 1 John 3:9. If you see this as unorthadox, so be it. For Jesus Christ has abolished the law of commandments Ephesians 2:15, he has also blotted them out Colossians 2:14, and disannuled them Hebrews7:18, for you are the epistle (letter of the law) of Christ 2 Corinthians 3:3. Jesus Christ is the Saviour of all men, specially those that belief 1 Timothy 4:10, even in thier belief, God has saved them. Peace, love and undestanding in the Lord Jesus Christ. Barry

 

[Hillsage]

Hello, and thanks for the welcome. You miss the whole point, a Christian is not a sinner, a sinner is of the devil 1 John 3:8, so if you are a sinner, do not be calling yourself a saint.

A saint is a saved sinner trying to do better, and striving for perfection.

Paul himself claimed to be the "chief of sinners" and that was later in his ministry.

A Christian has the same mind of Christ and has ceased from sin 1 Peter 4:1, and does not sin and cannot sin 1 John 3:9.

That scripture says "WE have the mind" which is a collective noun meaning
we...corporately, and I don't think anyone alive has 'the whole mind' of Christ'. Corporately YES, and that's why we need the 'whole body' of Christ in the 'unity of spirit' to know the whole counsel of the mind of Christ. Instead we have churches fighting ignorantly fighting for 'conformity of doctrine'.

[/quote]The "whosoever" of 1Joh could just as easily be translated "ALL" or "Whatsover"...is born of God. Well that's your spirit, not your soul or body. If Christians can't sin, then why did John say the following....to the Christians he was writing to?

1JO 2:1 My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

If you see this as unorthadox, so be it. For Jesus Christ has abolished the law of commandments Ephesians 2:15, he has also blotted them out Colossians 2:14, and disannuled them Hebrews7:18, for you are the epistle (letter of the law) of Christ 2 Corinthians 3:3. Jesus Christ is the Saviour of all men, specially those that belief 1 Timothy 4:10, even in thier belief, God has saved them. Peace, love and undestanding in the Lord Jesus Christ. Barry

I may have assumed more than I should have with your OP. Sorry Barry.

 

[bdennis]

A saint is a saved sinner trying to do better, and striving for perfection.

Paul himself claimed to be the "chief of sinners" and that was later in his ministry.
This is why Paul thinks that God has set forth the apostles last, as it were appointed unto death 1 Corinthians 4:9 KJV, and I only use the King James Version, almost all others are corrupt.
"For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3 KJV
"For he that is dead is free from sin" Romans 6:7 KJV
You can change your mind (repent) and believe the Gospel.Believe that you are not a sinner, that Jesus has taken care of sin on the cross, that it is God who guides, and directs you and everyone else (predestinate), and you will be in God's will, and yes, if I have to, I can and will quote all of the scriptures that expound on this. For Jesus came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance, and we are made the righteousness of God in him.

That scripture says "WE have the mind" which is a collective noun meaning
we...corporately, and I don't think anyone alive has 'the whole mind' of Christ'. Corporately YES, and that's why we need the 'whole body' of Christ in the 'unity of spirit' to know the whole counsel of the mind of Christ. Instead we have churches fighting ignorantly fighting for 'conformity of doctrine'.
yes, some have their/our whole minds, Jesus Christ has brought the spiritual and the carnal mind together in one body by the cross, or you could say the Jew and the Gentile mind Eph 2:15.
"For God hath concluded them all (Jew and Gentile) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all" Romans 11:32, and you would have to read Romans 11:27-32 to get the full meaning.

The "whosoever" of 1Joh could just as easily be translated "ALL" or "Whatsover"...is born of God. Well that's your spirit, not your soul or body. If Christians can't sin, then why did John say the following....to the Christians he was writing to?

The whosever is speaking of every one who loves 1 John 4:6 KJV " Beloved, let us love one another; for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God".

1JO 2:1 My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin; but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

Would that any one be Adam? Romans 5:18-19 " Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation (Noah condemned the world, Hebrews 11:7) ; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification to life.
For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall (promise/inevitability) many be made righteous".

I may have assumed more than I should have with your OP. Sorry Barry.[/quote]
Thanks, and I hope things are clearer. Barry

 

[Hillsage]

Thanks, and I hope things are clearer. Barry

Did you proof your post? Man I went past it thinking it was my last post....sorta kinda. 'Your answers' are within 'my quoted sections'. But I cut them out and pasted/quoted them correctly below.......you're welcome.

and I only use the King James Version, almost all others are corrupt.

I use KJV a lot too, but only because it's keyed to Strong's. Other than that I don't believe there is an uncorrupted translation...anywhere KJV and my favorite version, included.

Let's deal with your first two verses. Bear in mind that I believe that 'text' outside of 'context' will lead to 'pretext'. And your pretext doesn't line up with the context.

"For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God" Colossians 3:3 KJV

COL 3:5 Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: fornication, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. This sounds like a list of SINS to me. And they are willingly committing them and that's why they are "dead", and not walking in "life AND life abundantly".

"For he that is dead is free from sin" Romans 6:7 KJV

ROM 6:11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal bodies, to make you obey their passions.
So this verse says we aren't "dead" but must consider yourselves as dead and quit sinning. And once again he is talking to sinning saints.

You can change your mind (repent) and believe the Gospel.Believe that you are not a sinner, that Jesus has taken care of sin on the cross,

Jesus' death on the cross took care of the 'eternal' consequence of sin...not the 'temporal' consequence. To overcome the temporal consequence you must "confess your sins to your brethren" and QUIT sinning.

Context: JAM 5:12 But above all, my brethren,...16 Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another,

yes, some have their/our whole minds, Jesus Christ has brought the spiritual and the carnal mind together in one body by the cross, or you could say the Jew and the Gentile mind Eph 2:15.

I know no one who has the whole mind of Christ IMO. But scripture is repleate with admonitions to "put on the mind of Christ", "be transformed by the renewing of your mind" (to the mind of Christ). And this verse in Eph has nothing to say about the mind of Christ, that I can see. The context says it is talking about uniting Jew and Gentile into the commonwealth of "Israel".

Would that any one be Adam?

I think it would if they were talking about how sin came into the world...like the verses you quote below. But the verses I quote refer to the "ALL" of us who are "brethren".

Romans 5:18-19 " Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation (Noah condemned the world, Hebrews 11:7) ; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification to life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall (promise/inevitability) many be made righteous".

Be blessed. Good night.