God's rule about solar systems.

Lazarus Long · Feb 23, 2020

God has deemed only one planet per solar system can contain life and our examination of our solar system supports this rule.
We have found other solar systems in the universe but it would seem from our discoveries that it's likely that only one planet in those solar systems is capable of life as we know it.
What do you think?

Sorn · Feb 23, 2020

I don't think your premise has any merit. We have only just scratched the surface of planet hunting and can barely identify earth like planets. The handful so far are just in relatively nearby solar systems.

Any earth like planets will by necessity have to be in the habitable zone of a solar system. This means that it is likely that just 1 planet is in this zone but there may be a few solar systems where 2 planets, or maybe 3 can exist if they are spaced out enough (probably near the inner and outer edges of the habitable zone).
Alternatively, 2 earth like planets could exist on the same orbit if they are 180 degrees apart, ie on the opposite side of the sun / star to each other. They could never see each other because the sun would always be in the way.

These restrictions are due to physics rather than any law God makes.
Of course, if you allow for terraforming, then maybe one day Mars can be habitable and if we ever invent ways to travel in space quickly then many planets can be inhabited or have domed colonies on them etc while they are terraformed. This is of course hundreds of years away, if ever.

As a Christian I can't see anything that would preclude mankind living on other planets if we can get there.

ReesePiece23 · Feb 23, 2020

It's not only possible - it's virtually certain. There's trillions upon trillions of stars per galaxy with planets in the decillions in orbit of all of them. How complex those life forms are though are the BIG question, but there's no doubt in my mind.

Consider all of the above, and then consider the amount of galaxies in total. All you've got to do is a few basic sums to work out that the notion of us being at all 'relevant' in the grand scheme of the universe is utterly ridiculous.

I know you're an atheist and all, but my belief is that God is a master craftsman. There's no limitations.

Sorn · Feb 23, 2020

ReesePiece23 said:
Consider all of the above, and then consider the amount of galaxies in total. All you've got to do is a few basic sums to work out that the notion of us being at all 'relevant' in the grand scheme of the universe is utterly ridiculous.

Hmmm!, given that God's own Son, Jesus, died for us seems to me that we kind of are relevant, VERY relevant. That's kind of the perspective of Christianity!

Speedwell · Feb 23, 2020

The other problem is "life as we know it." All we know about life so far is what happens on this planet, but that may not be the whole story.

Lazarus Long · Feb 23, 2020

Sorn said:
Hmmm!, given that God's own Son, Jesus, died for us seems to me that we kind of are relevant, VERY relevant. That's kind of the perspective of Christianity!

Did he?

Larniavc · Feb 23, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
What do you think?

All Swans are not white?

Lazarus Long · Feb 23, 2020

Larnievc said:
All Swans are not white?

I live in Australia darling.

Sorn · Feb 23, 2020

Speedwell said:
The other problem is "life as we know it." All we know about life so far is what happens on this planet, but that may not be the whole story.

There may be other planets with life on them however:
1) Putting on a secular hat you'd say that intelligent life likely exists elsewhere
2) Putting on a Christian hat, any life on other planets would just be plant and animal life at the most, there would be no other intelligent life comparable to us in the universe we inhabit.

Ophiolite · Feb 23, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
God has deemed only one planet per solar system can contain life and our examination of our solar system supports this rule.

We have not ruled out life on Mars. Europa, Enceladus and even Titan may be satellites, not planets, but are definite contenders as homes for life. Conclusion: our examination does not support this rule.

Lazarus Long said:
We have found other solar systems in the universe but it would seem from our discoveries that it's likely that only one planet in those solar systems is capable of life as we know it.

I'm not sure where you are getting that from. There is at least one example where multiple planets lie within the Goldilocks zone - which itself is not necessarily the restrictive factor that is conventionally assigned to it. Conclusion: you are mistaken.

Lazarus Long said:
What do you think?

I think, as I have often remarked, to extrapolate from a sample size of one is madness. It can provide intriguing conversation in a bar, but the results of such extrapolation should not yet be taken seriously.

Sorn · Feb 23, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
Did he?

Well, yes, that's what Christianity teaches.
I can see you are an atheist but you should probably still understand what the core message of Christianity is if you are going to post on a Christian forum

Larniavc · Feb 23, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
I live in Australia darling.

You don’t have falsification in Oz?

Lazarus Long · Feb 23, 2020

Sorn said:
There may be other planets with life on them however:
1) Putting on a secular hat you'd say that intelligent life likely exists elsewhere
2) Putting on a Christian hat, any life on other planets would just be plant and animal life at the most, there would be no other intelligent life comparable to us in the universe we inhabit.

Your bible doesn't accept that.

Sorn · Feb 23, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
Your bible doesn't accept that.

Yes it does.

Lazarus Long · Feb 23, 2020

life likely exists elsewhere
Is not what your god says.

Sorn · Feb 23, 2020

Lazarus Long said:
life likely exists elsewhere
Is not what your god says.

Can you string a sentence together?? Feeling a bit lethargic typing at the keyboard??
Go have a coffee or something so you can post something rational please.

Now, what you quoted of me '.. life likely exists elsewhere..', well if you read my post again, carefully and in an alert manner, you will notice that I said that under the part "If I put a SECULAR hat on" or do you not know what this means??

Ophiolite · Feb 23, 2020

Sorn said:
Can you string a sentence together?? Feeling a bit lethargic typing at the keyboard??
Go have a coffee or something so you can post something rational please.

Now, what you quoted of me '.. life likely exists elsewhere..', well if you read my post again, carefully and in an alert manner, you will notice that I said that under the part "If I put a SECULAR hat on" or do you not know what this means??

Based on the blue colour of the text it appears Lazarus has posted a failed link. So, maybe cool the ire.

Speedwell · Feb 23, 2020

Sorn said:
2) Putting on a Christian hat, any life on other planets would just be plant and animal life at the most, there would be no other intelligent life comparable to us in the universe we inhabit.

Because it is beyond God's power to make it so? Beyond God's power to bring such creatures into the Kingdom? What other reason could there possibly be? Why do you want to limit God in that way?

ReesePiece23 · Feb 23, 2020

Sorn said:
Hmmm!, given that God's own Son, Jesus, died for us seems to me that we kind of are relevant, VERY relevant. That's kind of the perspective of Christianity!

Actually, I didn't say in the eyes of God. What I meant was in the grand scheme of the universe (how is a star meant to know who God is or even what IT is.

I guess it all comes right back round, full circle. We're the only complex, intelligent lifeforms that are aware of their own existence that we know of. That's why we're special to God, at least.

Speedwell · Feb 23, 2020

ReesePiece23 said:
Actually, I didn't say in the eyes of God. What I meant was in the grand scheme of the universe (how is a star meant to know who God is or even what IT is.

I guess it all comes right back round, full circle. We're the only complex, intelligent lifeforms that are aware of their own existence that we know of. That's why we're special to God, at least.

That we know of. But that doesn't mean we're the only ones.

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