Gods Proof

[Golden_Cross]

There are so many idea's out there on how the earth was made and how old the universe is. If you read the bible, God said that he had placed signs everywhere to prove that he is the one and only person that has created the universe. NOW Most people ask, where are those signs? Well, in the Whirlpool Galaxy there is one of his signs... wanna see.... Go to

Go to Hubble site and type in Whirlpool Galaxy Core-- Then click on the Third one down... the other two are galaries the third is just one single picture...

I know that's a lot to copy and paste but it's worth it.... This link shows you a picture from NASA's Hubble Space Telescope. NOW when you see this you cannot for one second tell me it's not a sign from God. If you look it's a picture of a galaxy (the Whirlpool Galaxy) and there in it's core you will see a cross, and! You will see a man nailed to it......

IF that's not enough proof.... then I have one other question..
Have you ever heard of Laminin?
look it up

This Protein binds everything together. This binds your skin to your bones, your muscles to your body.... everything and! well you'll just have to see it...

If you want to see something really cool than click this, it's a link to youtube it's from how grate is our God tour.... This is Louie Giglio and he is a science FREAK and he has a powerful message: ok... It come in parts the first one..

well this site won't let me post links SO Go to youtube and Type in
How great is our God part 1
It is amazing and it's around 45 min long it's in 6 parts

WATCH AND BE AMAZED!!!!!!

 

[AV1611VET]

Go to Hubble site and type in Whirlpool Galaxy Core--

WHIRLPOOL GALAXY CORE

LAMININ

Good ones, Golden_Cross --- --- our God is awesome, is He not?
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[Melethiel]

Laminin is fun stuff.

 

[gluadys]

Good ones, Golden_Cross --- --- our God is awesome, is He not?

Neat pics. But calling them "proofs" of God is like citing "proofs" of astrology. Just a lot of word (and image) association. A mind-game. Nothing more.

 

[Chesterton]

Neat pics. But calling them "proofs" of God is like citing "proofs" of astrology. Just a lot of word (and image) association. A mind-game. Nothing more.

Okay, maybe not "God's proof", but ever heard of a lover leaving little notes or things around to remind their beloved of how they feel? Maybe they're "God's little sticky-notes"?

 

[gluadys]

Okay, maybe not "God's proof", but ever heard of a lover leaving little notes or things around to remind their beloved of how they feel? Maybe they're "God's little sticky-notes"?

I don't care what you call them. It is the same sort of pattern association game used in reading tea leaves or tarot cards. There is nothing objectively meaningful in it.

 

[Golden_Cross]

NOT PROOF!!!! How can anyone say that! It says in Genesis that God created the Heavens and the earth! The cross in the Whirlpool Galaxy can easily be seen by anyone, There's no way that can be just word association and nothing more...... There are scientist out there who do not believe in God and they will even say it. In the bible God states that he puts signs everywhere to declare that He is God. That right there is in fact God stating his existence.

For everyone that doesn't know me because I'm new, I believe Gods word completely. I don't believe that anything is just a quintessence. Everything is the way God planed it. I also don't care if people think I'm a freak and I try not to push my opinions on other people but this is my thread and if you don't like it then read something else. The stars are stating his majesty! Like it or not.

 

[Melethiel]

I don't believe that anything is just a quintessence.

I believe you mean "coincidence." "Quintessence" means something quite different.

I also don't care if people think I'm a freak and I try not to push my opinions on other people but this is my thread and if you don't like it then read something else.

This is an open discussion and debate message board - just as you are free to post your opinions, others are free to disagree and critique them, and post theirs. That is the purpose of message boards. If youdon't wish people to critique your posts, use a blog.

And no, it's really not "proof" according to the strict definition of the term. Remember, we walk by faith, not by sight. We may look at such things and see it as God leaving us notes, but it will never convince an unbeliever. Only the Holy Spirit can do that. And it really is just pattern recognition by the brain - the same phenomenon that lets people see angels in cloud formations, the Virgin on wall stains, and Jesus on a piece of bread.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi, Golden_Cross --- nice to meet you!

NOT PROOF!!!! How can anyone say that! It says in Genesis that God created the Heavens and the earth! The cross in the Whirlpool Galaxy can easily be seen by anyone, There's no way that can be just word association and nothing more...... There are scientist out there who do not believe in God and they will even say it. In the bible God states that he puts signs everywhere to declare that He is God. That right there is in fact God stating his existence.

For everyone that doesn't know me because I'm new, I believe Gods word completely. I don't believe that anything is just a quintessence. Everything is the way God planed it. I also don't care if people think I'm a freak and I try not to push my opinions on other people but this is my thread and if you don't like it then read something else. The stars are stating his majesty! Like it or not.

Have you ever read this book?

It's an amazing book, and shows how God put the plan of salvation in the stars --- well-written and easy to read.

 

[gluadys]

It's an amazing book, and shows how God put the plan of salvation in the stars --- well-written and easy to read.

So now we have Christian astrology. No I am not surprised. Many Christians have been astrologers including Augustine, Kepler and Newton. Virtually all pre-modern astronomers were also astrologers.

And you can easily find the astrological correlations of the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 apostles to the 12 signs of the zodiac.

But I was a keen student of astrology myself for a number of years. I know how to take its mythological motifs and weave them into most any kind of tale you want. Including an apparently Christian one.

 

[AV1611VET]

So now we have Christian astrology.

That's cute, Gluadys --- that's very cute. Since you know astrology, and this is supposedly a book on astrology, then I take it you can tell me why the sun went dark for three hours during the crucifixion? Or maybe you can tell me what Gemini really stands for? (Not that Greek junk, but the Hebrew interpretation.) Or perhaps you can tell me what the Egyptian Sphynx has to do with the Mazzaroth (Zodiac)? Better yet, tell me what would happen if Orion was to lower that club, or Sagittarius was to let fly that arrow.

I think we can rule out astrology, don't you?

 

[BlessedBaptist]

I states in the Bible very clearly that some people follow the stars and some people are directed by them. If they were not guided by them the wise men might have never found Jesus. So I think astrology can have a place in Christianity

 

[theFijian]

Proof of his greatness is any was needed!!!

 

[Golden_Cross]

HUmmmmm

I didn't mean people can't say their opinion, I ment that I don't need to be getting death threats because of a post.... which (not on this site) has happend before... I went on an atheist site because they said they wanted christians to give their side of and argument on some topics..... serves me right, but that's ok because some people got saved.

It's ok if you don't believe that the formation of the cross in the Whirlpool galaxy isn't God- proving that HE created the universe, That's fine.... HOWEVER, do not tell me that it's just word association and nothing more becuase your never going to change my mind. When I saw this for the first time I could hear (spiritually) that God was saying to me, I made that..... That is my proof to you... But i know others will not see it that way. God talks to everyone differently. You do have to admit that it a funny thing. And as for astrology, Who really know's because God put things in place for a reason... There could or couldn't be truth in it... I don't really know a whole lot about that...Well except for horoscopes.. and really mine are hardly ever right. I put this post on here because I thought it was amazing..... I thought to my self how wonderful our God is.... I'm starting to think getting on this site was a mistake because it wasn't ment to be a debate----- It was more of a come see this it's cool...... I guess the WORD proof was the wrong word. Maybe proof means something a little different to me I guess. and I do believe without seeing... God can do anything! That's what I was tying to get at. He did form the universe. I don't know how... but he did. Seeing that cross in the sky still amazes me.....

AS FOR THE TOAST........ I really hope your not making fun of me, because it's not the same thing. Kinda strange though.

 

[shernren]

No, I doubt you'll get any death threats here.

There are many senses in which one can use the word proof. "Proof" can be a logical thing, something that essentially sets up a proposition so that anybody who doesn't believe it must be an idiot. So when a mathematician starts with some assumptions, does a bit of math, and arrives at a conclusion (or when you split the bill at the local restaurant), someone who disagrees can be disagreeing only because s/he doesn't understand math.

I think you would agree that what you've posted isn't "proof" in that sense. Sure it's cool. But it doesn't make the conclusion (that the God of the Bible exists and made all this stuff) inevitable.

Having said that, there are conclusions one reaches on the basis not of one big whopping argument and piece of evidence, but on the basis of many little pieces put together. For example, I do one nice thing for someone. Does that prove that I like her? Not quite. There are alternative explanations (I might want to manipulate her, I might just be nice on behalf of someone else who likes her, I might have a crazy urge to be nice to people, etc.) that can explain that single piece of evidence by itself. But put it together with other pieces of evidence (e.g. I do nice things for her fairly often, I defend her in conversations even when she's not around to hear, being nice to her often costs me, etc.) and even though there's no one piece of evidence that points to the conclusion, together they all do.

I think in that sense creation (and the cool things you pointed out) are evidence for God. They're not much, but they do count for something. Having said that, I think the Bible is pretty clear that the single most important way we know God (and that He exists) is in the person and ministry of Jesus Christ. What kind of a God sends us Himself as the ultimate gift? You don't get much more cool than that.

 

[Golden_Cross]

Yes that is true.... God sending his son is the ultimate proof. I see what your saying...... I just wish people wouldn't take everything SO seriously... I didn't put on a lab coat and give some kind of scientific theory on how i'm right and that it's without a dought proof.... This wasn't a conclusion just taking what the bible said and showing an example... People always ask me how I know the bible is true because of the fact it was written by man thousands of years ago... so I like to find little "proofs" by this I ment taking what the bible says and finding examples. This was an example that God exist because he said that he created the universe. I guess that's what I was going for.. but it doesn't matter anymore because everyone is taking this so seriously like I'm trying to get the Nobel prize for this. I don't have a degree, i'm not a scientist, just a christian. I don't care if people agree with me but I wish people would stop trying to change my mind. it's not proof to you that's fine.... but it is to me i'd like to leave it at that....

Jesus was the ultimate proof..... There is no dought about that. I guess as long as people believe that there good... But there are people out there that Want more.... not me but if you get matched up with an athiest better be prepared to answer quickly. My friend vincent is like that but pointing stuff out proved that Jesus was God.. and he knows he exist now.

I hope people don't take me wrong because I'm not trying to be a scholar here just tying to be observant.

 

[shernren]

I'm sorry. Over here our primary response to anything is intellectual dissection.

 

[Golden_Cross]

I just started getting on this site yesterday..... I think it was yesterday.. I'm in the wrong spot I guess.. So this is the intellectual side huh... Well I am curious...

What do you guys think caused the formation to look like that... other than God did it i'm curious on the science status.. I believe that God does things in a scientific manor too. NOt just spiritually. I mean it's a black hole.. Isn't black holes suppose to be round? That's what the scientist say anyways... that the cross is a black hole in the whirlpool Galaxy. I am glad What you told me cuz I have another topic that actually is an intellectual in such....

 

[theFijian]

How do you decide what to filter out in this process of looking for proof? What would you make of a waning crescent moon? Would that be proof of Allah?

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi, BlessedBaptist --- --- nice to meet you!

So I think astrology can have a place in Christianity

There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,

The star that the Wise Men followed was not a sun, a comet, or any other type of astronomical object.

(What it was exactly, in my opinion, I'll save elaboration for another time.)