Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
Forums
New posts
Forum list
Search forums
Leaderboards
Games
Our Blog
Blogs
New entries
New comments
Blog list
Search blogs
Credits
Transactions
Shop
Blessings: ✟0.00
Tickets
Open new ticket
Watched
Donate
Log in
Register
Search
Search titles only
By:
Search titles only
By:
More options
Toggle width
Share this page
Share this page
Share
Reddit
Pinterest
Tumblr
WhatsApp
Email
Share
Link
Menu
Install the app
Install
Forums
Outreach
Outreach
Exploring Christianity
God's Plan & The Flood
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="aiki" data-source="post: 75946685" data-attributes="member: 178791"><p>I don't know that free will is possible only in matters related to morality. Why would you think free will pertains only to moral choices?</p><p></p><p>No one has perfect free will, as far as I can see. By this I mean, no one has the sort of free will that is utterly unbounded by anything such that <em>all</em> possible choices are <em>always</em> open to the chooser. Like the shark who can't, by virtue of its nature, ride a bicycle (or even think or desire to do so), I can't, by virtue of my finite human nature, choose to be omniscient or omnipresent, as God is. My human nature removes such things as real options of choice for me. Instead, as far as I can tell, human free will is of the <em>soft libertarian</em> sort, where there are <em>some</em> genuinely free and real choices that we can make. However, as we make them, the momentum of our choices over time becomes controlling, moving us in a very particular direction quite apart from conscious, free choice. This is illustrated in the lives of those who become addicted to various things, or develop powerful prejudices, or form strong habits.</p><p></p><p>I should clarify that what I mean by "free will" is "the ability to have done otherwise." This capacity is at the heart of personal responsibility - particularly in the realm of moral choices. No one would say I am responsible for my natural, in-born eye color, or height. These things could not have been, by virtue of my choosing, other than they are by nature. In contrast, if I reject God, I do so always in tandem with the option to not reject Him. Inasmuch as I could have accepted God, my choice to reject Him is a free one.</p><p></p><p>This might, though, be getting into the weeds a bit...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="aiki, post: 75946685, member: 178791"] I don't know that free will is possible only in matters related to morality. Why would you think free will pertains only to moral choices? No one has perfect free will, as far as I can see. By this I mean, no one has the sort of free will that is utterly unbounded by anything such that [I]all[/I] possible choices are [I]always[/I] open to the chooser. Like the shark who can't, by virtue of its nature, ride a bicycle (or even think or desire to do so), I can't, by virtue of my finite human nature, choose to be omniscient or omnipresent, as God is. My human nature removes such things as real options of choice for me. Instead, as far as I can tell, human free will is of the [I]soft libertarian[/I] sort, where there are [I]some[/I] genuinely free and real choices that we can make. However, as we make them, the momentum of our choices over time becomes controlling, moving us in a very particular direction quite apart from conscious, free choice. This is illustrated in the lives of those who become addicted to various things, or develop powerful prejudices, or form strong habits. I should clarify that what I mean by "free will" is "the ability to have done otherwise." This capacity is at the heart of personal responsibility - particularly in the realm of moral choices. No one would say I am responsible for my natural, in-born eye color, or height. These things could not have been, by virtue of my choosing, other than they are by nature. In contrast, if I reject God, I do so always in tandem with the option to not reject Him. Inasmuch as I could have accepted God, my choice to reject Him is a free one. This might, though, be getting into the weeds a bit... [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Outreach
Outreach
Exploring Christianity
God's Plan & The Flood
Top
Bottom