God's People

[JM]

How can someone (anyone including the Jews as a nation or individual) reject Jesus Christ and still be God's people?

 

[BT]

Because God made an everlasting covenant with the nation of Israel. The nation will be saved but individuals will not, re: 144,000 witnesses in the tribulation times will be saved and act as evangelists. This is the remnant-nation of Israel whose fulfillment will demonstrate the validity of God's covenant with Abraham.

 

[BT]

Hey bro I was thinking... (believe it or not). Why don't you swap out your profile pick from that one, to one of you bootin someone in the melon?!? I think that would be hilarious!

 

[JM]

Hey bro I was thinking... (believe it or not). Why don't you swap out your profile pick from that one, to one of you bootin someone in the melon?!? I think that would be hilarious!

WHAT!



I have one of me sitting on a guy's chest pounding him...will that do? (kidding)

OK, I'll switch it with something new...soon...

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B, I understand your point about the covenant, but didn't the Jew's have to do something ) ) to remain in the covenant relationship?

SP

 

[JM]

PS: How many people(s) does God have?

 

[Jerrysch]

How can someone (anyone including the Jews as a nation or individual) reject Jesus Christ and still be God's people?

Because of the covanants which God made with them

Ro 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Ro 11:2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

Paul here refers to the Jews as "His people", does he not?

 

[Jerrysch]

PS: How many people(s) does God have?

Two
ethnic Israel and the church

 

[mcfly1960]

How can someone (anyone including the Jews as a nation or individual) reject Jesus Christ and still be God's people?

They can't.

 

[JM]

They can't.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one...thanks guys.

 

[Tractor1]

They can't.

I agree with Mcfly in regard to this question.

Although the right of an individual Israelite to share in covenant blessings is entered by physical birth, what God covenants to the elect nation is one thing and what He covenants to individuals within that nation is another. The national entity has been preserved forever through covenant promise (Gen. 17:7-8; Isa. 66:22; Jer. 31:35-37), but the individual was subject to a prescribed and regulated conduct which carried penalties of judgment for failure (Duet. 28:58-62; Ezek. 20:33-44; Matt. 24:51; 25:12, 30). So while the national standing of every Israelite was secured by physical birth, their individual spiritual state was not.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[Antman_05]

Natural birth doesn't make you one of God's people only being reborn does. i.e. Born again.

 

[Jerrysch]

I agree with Mcfly in regard to this question.

Although the right of an individual Israelite to share in covenant blessings is entered by physical birth, what God covenants to the elect nation is one thing and what He covenants to individuals within that nation is another. The national entity has been preserved forever through covenant promise (Gen. 17:7-8; Isa. 66:22; Jer. 31:35-37), but the individual was subject to a prescribed and regulated conduct which carried penalties of judgment for failure (Duet. 28:58-62; Ezek. 20:33-44; Matt. 24:51; 25:12, 30). So while the national standing of every Israelite was secured by physical birth, their individual spiritual state was not.

In Christ,
Tracey

This is exactly correct, I couldn't have said it better myself, or at least not as well

 

[Jerrysch]

Natural birth doesn't make you one of God's people only being reborn does. i.e. Born again.

So what are we to do with ;
Ro 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Ro 11:2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

It is the gentiles who have been added we participate in the Blessing bestowed upon Israel.

 

[mcfly1960]

But the original question involved both "national and individual."

How can someone (anyone including the Jews as a nation or individual) reject Jesus Christ and still be God's people?

 

[Jerrysch]

But the original question involved both "national and individual."

Hi there George,

ethnic Isreal was the chosen of God prior to the incarnation. Your question regarding unbeilef does present a problem though. But, look at it this way, was ethnic Israel not the chosen people of God while they were in the land of Babylon during the deportation? Their unbeilief did not invalidate the promice of God. If that generation had not rejected the Messiahship of Jesus, we'd be 1,000 years beyond the Mill. Kingdom now (just think about that!). God demonstrates that He is still not finished with ethnic Israel by making them a mahor "player" in the book of Revelation, and at the end of that Book all of ethnic Israel, those who are still alive that is, will be redeemed by faith in Messiah Yeshua.

 

[Tractor1]

But the original question involved both "national and individual."

As was stated in my previous post the national entity has been preserved forever by covenant promise (Gen. 17:7-8; Isa. 66:22; Jer. 31:35-37), and the "gifts and calling of God are without repentance" (Rom. 11:29). If any individual, or even a generation, chose to walk in disobedience to the Lord they would lose out on blessing, but sin and disobedience would never cancel the covenant. The complete and final fulfillment of the Abrahamic covenant depends on God alone.

In Christ,
Tracey

 

[mcfly1960]

Here, Paul is again emphasizing God's sovreignty. It is God that changes the heart. But such a changing leads the sinner to repentance. Repentance is the natural response, and the visible sign, of a heart that has been regenerated by the sovereign work of God.

If an individual or nation "never ever" repents, isn't this a sign that God "never ever" chose them to begin with?

 

[Willo]

So what are we to do with ;
Ro 11:1 I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Ro 11:2 God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

It is the gentiles who have been added we participate in the Blessing bestowed upon Israel.

Good point!

My thing is, if God made a promise to nautral Israel that is yet to occur, how can we say it no longer applies?

Unless God is a liar.

 

[mcfly1960]

Good point!

My thing is, if God made a promise to nautral Israel that is yet to occur, how can we say it no longer applies?

Unless God is a liar.

Since we know God is not a liar, it must mean that the promise is only to the Israel of God, not the other Israel.

 

[Willo]

Since we know God is not a liar, it must mean that the promise is only to the Israel of God, not the other Israel.

It would apply to whoever He made a promise to.

If I made a promise to you, and then fulfilled it with someone else, you would view me a 1) Untrust worthy, 2) Liar