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Forknowledge and Predestination:
Starting with Romans 8:29 KJV, "For whom he did forknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
God's predestination of the elect is based on his foreknowledge of them(all those who would believe on Christ) before they are born. Therefore to make the election (elect) sure, the life of those who are to be conformed to the image of His Son was/is predestinated based on God's forknowledge of who they are, what they will do, and how they will believe.
God's election is sure, and nothing can change it. This is what is meant in Romans 8:38-39 KJV, 38 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come," 39 "Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
God's election is based on grace, that it might not be of works, that is of the flesh. Through grace the gentiles can be saved. Those who are of Abraham's seed are not all Israel because there are those who continue to chose works over grace. God made a separation between the law, which is of the flesh, and grace, which is by promise, and Has determined that those who remain under the law are not His children because they are the children of the flesh. Yet in Isaac, the children of the promise are counted for the seed (and are His children), Romans 9:7-8 KJV.
Through Abraham God set the new Covenant up, salvation by "Grace," through Abraham's children and grandchildren to assure the promise seed (Christ), and to establish that salvation by grace would "stand" before and after the law (Mosiac law), which would be established over 400 years later, and which would not be able to disannul "the Covenant God made with Abraham," Galatians 3:17 KJV. The Mosiac Law ended in Christ (the promise seed), at HIs death.
So to solidify the new covenant, God made a distinction between the law, which is of the flesh, and Grace, which is of the promise, through Abraham and his two sons Ishmael and Isaac, and Isaac's children Jacob and Esau:
1) The first distinction between the law and grace, was Ishmael who was "the child of the flesh" who represented the law, and was not counted for the promised seed (Christ). But Isaac's birth was the result of the child of the promise, which represented the new covenant, where the promised seed would come through (Christ). Because the law is of the flesh, Christ could not have come through Ishmael. Christ (the promise seed) had to come through the child God promised Abraham, Isaac (the promise seed). So through the promise seed (Isaac), the promise seed (Christ) would come - this is the avenue which God established salvation through grace to bring in the Gentiles as children of the seed (the seed of Abraham). To believe on the Son of God we become the Children of God, where we are counted as the seed of Abraham through Jesus, by the Holy Spirit.
2) The establishment of predestination to where election would "stand" came by way of Jacob and Esau, Romans 9:11 KJV. God forknew the type of people Esau and Jacob would be, so, to establish God's purpose according to "election" that it might "stand", as God's love was toward Jacob and not Esau, Romans 9:11-13 KJV, therefore God set the election up through Rebecca, letting her know before the children were born (not having done good or evil to remove works that it might be by grace) that it was His determination that the older shall serve the younger, and that Jacob was to received the blessing and not Esau. So at the time Isaac was to bless Esau, Rebecca remembered what God said to her and instructed Jacob what to do, Genesis 27:5-17 KJV.
God's predestinion is based on his forknowledge of those who would believe on Jesus, which is the same forknowledge God exercised regarding the two children, Jacob and Esau - he loved Jacob (Grace) and hated Esau (of the flesh). And based on God's forknowledge He Has predestinate us, and Has called and elected us (established in Jacob that "election" might stand - cannot be disannul) to be conformed to the image of His Son, Romans 8:29 KJV, to be His Children. God has established this already and nothing can change it.
We are to always be conscience of our calling, and we are admonished to make our election and calling sure, 2 Peter 1:10-11 KJV. This is done by understanding that the "gospel" is the Power of God unto salvation. Read, study, pray for understanding, listen to the Holy Spirit, go outside the camp - that's the only way we can be strengthened with might in the inner man and continue to walk by the Spirit.
We cannot give ourselves what we don't have. We only receive by the Holy Spirit - so we must wait on God, who will not fail us if we continue in the faith, Colossians 1:23 KJV
Starting with Romans 8:29 KJV, "For whom he did forknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
God's predestination of the elect is based on his foreknowledge of them(all those who would believe on Christ) before they are born. Therefore to make the election (elect) sure, the life of those who are to be conformed to the image of His Son was/is predestinated based on God's forknowledge of who they are, what they will do, and how they will believe.
God's election is sure, and nothing can change it. This is what is meant in Romans 8:38-39 KJV, 38 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come," 39 "Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
God's election is based on grace, that it might not be of works, that is of the flesh. Through grace the gentiles can be saved. Those who are of Abraham's seed are not all Israel because there are those who continue to chose works over grace. God made a separation between the law, which is of the flesh, and grace, which is by promise, and Has determined that those who remain under the law are not His children because they are the children of the flesh. Yet in Isaac, the children of the promise are counted for the seed (and are His children), Romans 9:7-8 KJV.
Through Abraham God set the new Covenant up, salvation by "Grace," through Abraham's children and grandchildren to assure the promise seed (Christ), and to establish that salvation by grace would "stand" before and after the law (Mosiac law), which would be established over 400 years later, and which would not be able to disannul "the Covenant God made with Abraham," Galatians 3:17 KJV. The Mosiac Law ended in Christ (the promise seed), at HIs death.
So to solidify the new covenant, God made a distinction between the law, which is of the flesh, and Grace, which is of the promise, through Abraham and his two sons Ishmael and Isaac, and Isaac's children Jacob and Esau:
1) The first distinction between the law and grace, was Ishmael who was "the child of the flesh" who represented the law, and was not counted for the promised seed (Christ). But Isaac's birth was the result of the child of the promise, which represented the new covenant, where the promised seed would come through (Christ). Because the law is of the flesh, Christ could not have come through Ishmael. Christ (the promise seed) had to come through the child God promised Abraham, Isaac (the promise seed). So through the promise seed (Isaac), the promise seed (Christ) would come - this is the avenue which God established salvation through grace to bring in the Gentiles as children of the seed (the seed of Abraham). To believe on the Son of God we become the Children of God, where we are counted as the seed of Abraham through Jesus, by the Holy Spirit.
2) The establishment of predestination to where election would "stand" came by way of Jacob and Esau, Romans 9:11 KJV. God forknew the type of people Esau and Jacob would be, so, to establish God's purpose according to "election" that it might "stand", as God's love was toward Jacob and not Esau, Romans 9:11-13 KJV, therefore God set the election up through Rebecca, letting her know before the children were born (not having done good or evil to remove works that it might be by grace) that it was His determination that the older shall serve the younger, and that Jacob was to received the blessing and not Esau. So at the time Isaac was to bless Esau, Rebecca remembered what God said to her and instructed Jacob what to do, Genesis 27:5-17 KJV.
God's predestinion is based on his forknowledge of those who would believe on Jesus, which is the same forknowledge God exercised regarding the two children, Jacob and Esau - he loved Jacob (Grace) and hated Esau (of the flesh). And based on God's forknowledge He Has predestinate us, and Has called and elected us (established in Jacob that "election" might stand - cannot be disannul) to be conformed to the image of His Son, Romans 8:29 KJV, to be His Children. God has established this already and nothing can change it.
We are to always be conscience of our calling, and we are admonished to make our election and calling sure, 2 Peter 1:10-11 KJV. This is done by understanding that the "gospel" is the Power of God unto salvation. Read, study, pray for understanding, listen to the Holy Spirit, go outside the camp - that's the only way we can be strengthened with might in the inner man and continue to walk by the Spirit.
We cannot give ourselves what we don't have. We only receive by the Holy Spirit - so we must wait on God, who will not fail us if we continue in the faith, Colossians 1:23 KJV
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