God's creation Timeline refutes evolution

Aman777 · Dec 7, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
Is the Lord Jesus Christ God? Yes, but not literally. He is the image of God.

Only to those who deny the Trinity. Those who believe Genesis One, which exclusively uses the name "Elohim" to identify the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit which we call God, is a plural name. God is an invisible Spirit, thus He has no Image. God is the Spirit of Love. Jesus came forth from within this invisible Spirit into the physical world when God said, Let there be Light. Genesis 1:3 Jesus IS the only God ever formed physically, the only God you will ever see and in Him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the invisible Godhead in physical form. Jesus IS God.

Aman777 · Dec 7, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
This refers to seeing him in a VISION. Not "Literally" seeing him.

Why did you cut out the 4th man in the fire? It wasn't a vision but an actual happening, unless you can convince us that God the Holy Spirit, the Author of Scripture, the Spirit of Truth, just lied to us and you know better. Amen?

SpiritualBeing · Dec 8, 2018

Aman777 said:
What is it restoring? Is there some reason for it to alter what actually agrees with the original? Or has it been changed to a particular Religion's view? I'm suspicious of Religions which teach that the Gates of Hell did prevail against the Church, and they wish to "restore" it to their standards or beliefs. Some even teach that Jesus is not God. Their group probably teaches them from their own personal religion's bible.

It restores the sacred names. Restoration Study Bible is just based on the King James Version

See it you can read and understand this:

Col 2:9 For in Him (Jesus) dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

"The word godhead is not good English: it means nothing in itself and conveys no idea to the reader: What is a godhead?" It is merely a bad translation

SpiritualBeing · Dec 8, 2018

Aman777 said:
Only to those who deny the Trinity. Those who believe Genesis One, which exclusively uses the name "Elohim" to identify the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit which we call God, is a plural name. God is an invisible Spirit, thus He has no Image. God is the Spirit of Love. Jesus came forth from within this invisible Spirit into the physical world when God said, Let there be Light. Genesis 1:3 Jesus IS the only God ever formed physically, the only God you will ever see and in Him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the invisible Godhead in physical form. Jesus IS God.

the Bible indicates that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons.

For example, since the Father sent the Son into the world (John 3:16), he cannot be the same person as the Son. Likewise, after the Son returned to the Father (John 16:10), the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit into the world (John 14:26; Acts 2:33). Therefore, the Holy Spirit must be distinct from the Father and the Son.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 8, 2018

Aman777 said:
Why did you cut out the 4th man in the fire? It wasn't a vision but an actual happening, unless you can convince us that God the Holy Spirit, the Author of Scripture, the Spirit of Truth, just lied to us and you know better. Amen?

The phrase," the Son of God," is clearly wrong; the correct translation is, "The appearance of the fourth is like a son of the gods." Along with the three victims of his superstition was seen a fourth figure, like one of the figures portrayed on his palace walls as belonging to the demi-gods. This is the culmination of the king's astonishment. It was astonishing to see those men loose that had been east into the furnace bound; still more so to see them walking, and none showing signs of having received any hurt; but most awe-inspiring of all is the vision of the fourth figure, like a son of the gods.

Aman777 · Dec 8, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
It restores the sacred names. Restoration Study Bible is just based on the King James Version

Tell us what John 1:1 says.

SpiritualBeing said:
"The word godhead is not good English: it means nothing in itself and conveys no idea to the reader: What is a godhead?" It is merely a bad translation

Do you believe in the Trinity?

Aman777 · Dec 8, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
the Bible indicates that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons.

Do you think there will be 3 on God's Throne?

SpiritualBeing said:
For example, since the Father sent the Son into the world (John 3:16), he cannot be the same person as the Son.

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Another bad translation from the KJV?

SpiritualBeing said:
Likewise, after the Son returned to the Father (John 16:10), the Father and the Son sent the Holy Spirit into the world (John 14:26; Acts 2:33). Therefore, the Holy Spirit must be distinct from the Father and the Son.

Couldn't be since God is One. You have confused the physical for the Spiritual. In Jesus is ALL the fulness of the Godhead/Trinity, bodily. Only a Spirit, Love for example, can be one with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Amen?

SpiritualBeing · Dec 9, 2018

Aman777 said:
Tell us what John 1:1 says.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. The same was in the beginning with Elohim.

Do you believe in the Trinity?

This question has no bearing on the meaning of the word godhead which you seem to misunderstand. There are many Bible scholars and translators who have said that "godhead" does not convey clear meaning.

Weymouth, Moffatt, Smith-Goodspeed, Farrar Fenton, RSV, Good News, NAS, Living Bible, NIV, J. B. Phillips, Bible in Living English, Jerusalem Bible, NWT, Emphatic Diaglott, and The Everyday Bibleversions, all recognizing its inadequacy, use some word or phrase other than 'godhead' seen three times in the KJV, where, in Acts 17:29, Rom. 1:20, Col. 2:9, it represents a different Greek word each time.

Aman777 · Dec 10, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim, and the Word was Elohim. The same was in the beginning with Elohim.

Can you tell us WHY the translators substituted a Hebrew word (Elohim) for a Greek word. (Theos)? Did they know that the word "Word" is Jesus (Logos)? Are they teaching that Jesus, Jhn 1:14 like Elohim, has never been seen by any man?

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

Their mis-translation identifies someone who is teaching a particular Religion/belief and not what is actually written. It's why I use the KJV since it is less altered.

SpiritualBeing said:
This question has no bearing on the meaning of the word godhead which you seem to misunderstand.

No. The Godhead is the Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit except to some groups who change what is actually written in order to have it comply with their religious beliefs.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 10, 2018

Aman777 said:
Can you tell us WHY the translators substituted a Hebrew word (Elohim) for a Greek word. (Theos)? Did they know that the word "Word" is Jesus (Logos)? Are they teaching that Jesus, Jhn 1:14 like Elohim, has never been seen by any man?

Jhn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.

Their mis-translation identifies someone who is teaching a particular Religion/belief and not what is actually written. It's why I use the KJV since it is less altered.

The translators use the source languages behind the English text to reveal original meanings.
There is no mistranslation here. They did not substitute Elohim for a Greek word. Theos
is just the Greek word translated “God” in the New Testament of nearly all of the modern translations. And Elohim is just the most general word for God in the Old Testament. Actually many Christians have been deceived by modern translators.

No. The Godhead is the Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit except to some groups who change what is actually written in order to have it comply with their religious beliefs.

Incorrect. 'Godhead' in Colossians 2:9 of the KJV is a translation of the Greek theotees, which is "an abstract noun for theos," the usual Greek word translated 'God'. (Greek-English Lexicon, Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich) "An abstract noun is one indicating a quality, as goodness, beauty." (Funk and Wagnalls Standard Dictionary, International Edition). From this it is seen that when Paul wrote of Christ Jesus that "In Him dwelleth all the fulness of deity" he said that all the qualities of God dwelt in Christ Jesus our Lord. In view of that, one may be sure that whatever 'godhead' may be thought to mean, it surely does not properly represent the meaning of the Greek words Paul wrote.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 10, 2018

Aman777 said:
Do you think there will be 3 on God's Throne?

Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
Another bad translation from the KJV?

Couldn't be since God is One. You have confused the physical for the Spiritual. In Jesus is ALL the fulness of the Godhead/Trinity, bodily. Only a Spirit, Love for example, can be one with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Amen?

In this verse the word “one” means united.

Aman777 · Dec 10, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
The translators use the source languages behind the English text to reveal original meanings.
There is no mistranslation here. They did not substitute Elohim for a Greek word. Theos is just the Greek word translated “God” in the New Testament of nearly all of the modern translations. And Elohim is just the most general word for God in the Old Testament. Actually many Christians have been deceived by modern translators.

Tell us the difference between God and YHWH. No cut and pastes please. Tell us what you think...

SpiritualBeing said:
Incorrect. 'Godhead' in Colossians 2:9 of the KJV is a translation of the Greek theotees, which is "an abstract noun for theos," the usual Greek word translated 'God'. (Greek-English Lexicon, Bauer, Arndt, Gingrich) "An abstract noun is one indicating a quality, as goodness, beauty." (Funk and Wagnalls Standard Dictionary, International Edition). From this it is seen that when Paul wrote of Christ Jesus that "In Him dwelleth all the fulness of deity" he said that all the qualities of God dwelt in Christ Jesus our Lord. In view of that, one may be sure that whatever 'godhead' may be thought to mean, it surely does not properly represent the meaning of the Greek words Paul wrote.

Gobbledegoop.

Aman777 · Dec 10, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
In this verse the word “one” means united.

Do you see an old man with a beard? or a young man with a cross? or do you see both with the Holy Spirit flying between the two? United doesn't explain what you see.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 11, 2018

Aman777 said:
Tell us the difference between God and YHWH. No cut and pastes please. Tell us what you think...

No difference

Gobbledegoop.

Perfect description of your misunderstanding of the subject.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 11, 2018

Aman777 said:
Do you see an old man with a beard? or a young man with a cross? or do you see both with the Holy Spirit flying between the two? United doesn't explain what you see.

This verse has over 300 different interpretations so I can see why many Christians would mis-interpret this verse. The existence of a mediator implies a conflict. There is a disunity between Israel and God. God is unity and there must be undivided devotion to him. God refers to the father.

Aman777 · Dec 11, 2018

Aman777 said: ↑
Tell us the difference between God and YHWH. No cut and pastes please. Tell us what you think...

SpiritualBeing said:
No difference

Here are some differences;

1. Elohim is a plural name for "Us" and "Our". Gen 1:26
¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

2. YHWH is a singular name for the One physical God. YHWH/Jesus
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

3. Elohim is an invisible Spirit. Jhn 4:24 No man has ever seen Him.
4. YHWH/Jesus is a physical Being. Many people have seen Him.
5. Some even deny that Jesus came in the flesh.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 12, 2018

Aman777 said:
Here are some differences;

1. Elohim is a plural name for "Us" and "Our". Gen 1:26
¶ And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

The basic meaning of the world *el* is power or strength. It does not always designate "God" -- the Supreme Being -- as that word is often used of Jehovah, or false god as it may be used of idols. When used of others than Jehovah or idols, it often simply takes the meaning of strength, power, might. (See Proverbs 3:17 and Micah 2:1, where the KJV translated *el* as "in the power of "; see also Strong's Hebrew Dictionary for #410) "Formed" applies to the idols, not to Jehovah. Jehovah himself was never formed, for he has always been, so therefore there could be no idol-god formed before Jehovah, and he will always be, so there can be no idol-god formed after him

The sons of God are called "elohim" in Psalm 82:6 are not equal to Jehovah, nor will they ever be. (Psalm 8:1) Moses, who was made elohim [god] to Pharoah by Jehovah himself, is not made equal to Jehovah, and he will never be equal to Jehovah. Likewise, Jesus is not equal to his Father, Jehovah, the only true God [Supreme Being], nor will he ever be. (John 17:1,3; Psalm 45:7)

The Bible itself refers to others as elohim and theoi, thus we need to note the relative difference in the usage of the word. Indeed, in some of the scriptures it is Jehovah Himself who uses the Hebrew word for "God/god" of others than Himself.

2. YHWH is a singular name for the One physical God. YHWH/Jesus
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

You are misinterpreting this verse. This verse does not mean Jesus is God. The specific "gods" being referred to are the idol-gods of men. (2) Jesus was not brought forth before or after God, since Jehovah had no beginning and had no end. Nor was Jesus brought forth as God [The Supreme Being], or equal to God. He was brought forth as mighty -- as a mighty being, but not as God Almighty.

Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus is the only true God in the absolute superlative usage of the word God -- the sole Power; the monotheistic belief in one true Supreme Being. Jesus is not the Supreme Being who sent him.

Aman777 · Dec 12, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
The basic meaning of the world *el* is power or strength. It does not always designate "God" -- the Supreme Being -- as that word is often used of Jehovah, or false god as it may be used of idols. When used of others than Jehovah or idols, it often simply takes the meaning of strength, power, might. (See Proverbs 3:17 and Micah 2:1, where the KJV translated *el* as "in the power of "; see also Strong's Hebrew Dictionary for #410) "Formed" applies to the idols, not to Jehovah. Jehovah himself was never formed, for he has always been, so therefore there could be no idol-god formed before Jehovah, and he will always be, so there can be no idol-god formed after him

The sons of God are called "elohim" in Psalm 82:6 are not equal to Jehovah, nor will they ever be. (Psalm 8:1) Moses, who was made elohim [god] to Pharoah by Jehovah himself, is not made equal to Jehovah, and he will never be equal to Jehovah. Likewise, Jesus is not equal to his Father, Jehovah, the only true God [Supreme Being], nor will he ever be. (John 17:1,3; Psalm 45:7)

The Bible itself refers to others as elohim and theoi, thus we need to note the relative difference in the usage of the word. Indeed, in some of the scriptures it is Jehovah Himself who uses the Hebrew word for "God/god" of others than Himself.

You are misinterpreting this verse. This verse does not mean Jesus is God. The specific "gods" being referred to are the idol-gods of men. (2) Jesus was not brought forth before or after God, since Jehovah had no beginning and had no end. Nor was Jesus brought forth as God [The Supreme Being], or equal to God. He was brought forth as mighty -- as a mighty being, but not as God Almighty.

Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus is the only true God in the absolute superlative usage of the word God -- the sole Power; the monotheistic belief in one true Supreme Being. Jesus is not the Supreme Being who sent him.

Sorry, but your view is not that of mainstream Christianity. It reminds me of a religious view which does NOT agree with the discoveries of Science and History. It is a religious view which is being taught by some cult leaders. Denying that Jesus is God ends this conversation.

Tinker Grey · Dec 12, 2018

Aman777 said:
Sorry, but your view is not that of mainstream Christianity.

Irony much

Aman777 · Dec 12, 2018

Tinker Grey said:
Irony much

My supporters are God the Trinity, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit, the Author of Genesis. No irony since in the end, you too will see the Truth.

I have no problem with mainstream Christianity but I'm suspicious of those who change the Bible to fit their views. That's when I keep my hand on my billfold.

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