Godlessness and choice

[Dave Ellis]

What do you mean how do I know that?

Your post said:

"Sure I know my decisions and choices have eternal ramifications.

And my view isn't wrong. Yours is."

I asked how do you know that? It should be fairly easy to answer. You must clearly have some kind of irrefutable evidence that proves your point.

 

[anonymous person]

Your post said:

"Sure I know my decisions and choices have eternal ramifications.

And my view isn't wrong. Yours is."

I asked how do you know that? It should be fairly easy to answer. You must clearly have some kind of irrefutable evidence that proves your point.

Irrefutable to who?

 

[anonymous person]

And what do you mean by irrefutable?

What constitutes knowledge to you?

 

[bhsmte]

Irrefutable to who?

You claim someone else is wrong and you are right. His question is simple; demonstrate how you know you are right and he is wrong. This is where, objective evidence to support your claim, comes in handy.

 

[anonymous person]

Seems to me in all of these discussions, we have been talking past one another. I think we have different views on what constitutes knowledge and evidence. Such topics might be more preferable as points of discussion than what we have been talking about.

 

[anonymous person]

You claim someone else is wrong and you are right. His question is simple; demonstrate how you know you are right and he is wrong. This is where, objective evidence to support your claim, comes in handy.

I don't think I can demonstrate it to you, as you are not yet ready. There has to be a certain degree of openness and open mindedness before you can understand.

 

[bhsmte]

Seems to me in all of these discussions, we have been talking past one another. I think we have different views on what constitutes knowledge and evidence. Such topics might be more preferable as points of discussion than what we have been talking about.

Evidence can be demonstrated, by giving the facts that support it.

 

[Dave Ellis]

And what do you mean by irrefutable?

What constitutes knowledge to you?

Something that proves your point.

I'm kind of shocked you seem reluctant to answer, if I had proof of something that mattered to me, I wouldn't need to play word games before presenting my evidence.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think I can demonstrate it to you, as you are not yet ready. There has to be a certain degree of openness and open mindedness before you can understand.

I am always ready for evidence and always open to change my view point based on evidence. You see, that is why I am no longer a Christian, because I was open to accept new knowledge, to change my view point.

This; you are not ready excuse, is lame, because I have proven, I can change a major view point, based on evidence and new knowledge.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I don't think I can demonstrate it to you, as you are not yet ready. There has to be a certain degree of openness and open mindedness before you can understand.

If you can't show it, then you don't know it.

I'll accept that you believe it, but that's about it. It's also irrelevant to what's actually true.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I don't have a favorite argument.

I would say Jesus' power manifested in its transformative work in all aspects of my life is the greatest evidence for me that my worldview is true. I did what the Bible prescribes and got what it promised. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak.

How do you know Jesus had anything to do with it? What happened specifically that you attribute to Jesus?

 

[anonymous person]

Evidence can be demonstrated, by giving the facts that support it.

Evidence must be interpreted though.

What ypu consider to be a fact will depend on what you think constitutes factuality.

 

[bhsmte]

Evidence must be interpreted though.

What ypu consider to be a fact will depend on what you think constitutes factuality.

Evidence is interpreted based on the known facts to support it.

Whenever you are ready to present, we are ready.

 

[anonymous person]

How do you know Jesus had anything to do with it? What happened specifically that you attribute to Jesus?

I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and He did.

 

[Dave Ellis]

I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and He did.

How on earth do you know that? Did Jesus himself appear before you and forgive you? Or did you just wish for it and assume it happened?

 

[anonymous person]

Evidence is interpreted based on the known facts to support it.

Whenever you are ready to present, we are ready.

What is a known fact?

What makes sonething a known fact?

 

[bhsmte]

I asked Him to forgive me of my sins and He did.

I asked aliens that visited me to forgive me of my sins and they did.

 

[bhsmte]

What is a known fact?

What makes sonething a known fact?

Reliable data, hard evidence to support it as fact. Something that can be objectively verified, outside of personal opinion.

 

[anonymous person]

How on earth do you know that? Did Jesus himself appear before you and forgive you? Or did you just wish for it and assume it happened?

The cleansing and removal of shame and guilt that I experienced when I did. The effects wrought by repentance and regeneration are the evidences of this transformtaive and divine work

 

[Dave Ellis]

What is a known fact?

What makes sonething a known fact?

I think it's safe to say you don't know what you claimed to know.