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[defiantchild]

lets have a "god" discusian. i'm an atheist explain to me why i should be christian

 

[vajradhara]

i think you'd have more success with this topic under the General Apologetics forum.

 

[Annabel Lee]

lets have a "god" discusian. i'm an atheist explain to me why i should be christian

You should be a Christian only if you want to be one. And I agree with Vajradhara, you would get more reponses with this in the General Apologetics section.

Welcome to Christian Forums, Defiantchild.

 

[Dream Weaver]

lets have a "god" discusian. i'm an atheist explain to me why i should be christian

My first ? to you would be why not be a Christian?
I have been on both sides of the fence. I've never been what you would call a trouble maker. I grew up in church watching alcoholic parents battle it out and eventually get divorced. Imagine what twisted idea of christianity I had whey they were my only examples. But since I have been a christian now for almost 16 years, I know that I made the right choice. You see, even though christians are people which makes them imperfect like everyone else, it is where I have found my truest friends. Not to mention Christ. To know that the creator of the universe loves me so much that He sent His only Son to die for me even though I didn't deserve it. I have a 2 yr old son and I don't think that I could make that sacrifice. Who do you know that loves you as much as Him? Alot of people say why do bad things happen to God's people if He loves them so much. The only answer I can give you is the Bible. It says that the rain falls on the just and the unjust. Jesus said in this world, you're going to have problems but be of good cheer for I have overcome the world. I guess in closing, it is just good to know regardless of how much I mess up, God still loves me.

Perfection under construction!!!!

 

[Multi-Elis]

lets have a "god" discusian. i'm an atheist explain to me why i should be christian

To aswer that correctly, one would have to know WHY you are an aithiest, or else we can't tell you WHY YOU should be a christian.

 

[ACougar]

Awesome Dream Weaver! I rejoice with you!

defiantchild,
Well, may I ask you a few questions?
What do you do with your sin?
How do you atone for it?
How do you receive forgiveness for it?

There is no such thing as sin, only the natural results of your actions. Since there is no sin, there is no atoning for sin. Sin is seperation from God, Divinity dwells in all things.... therefor seperation from God is a false perception. It is a lie used by certain religions to control people.

 

[Pistos Ergon]

Bottom out here:

Did Jesus resurrect from the dead? Until you look at the evidence honestly, nothing else matters much in this discussion. Do a web search on the evidences of the resurrection of Jesus from the dead.

 

[Blackhawk]

There is no such thing as sin, only the natural results of your actions. Since there is no sin, there is no atoning for sin. Sin is seperation from God, Divinity dwells in all things.... therefor seperation from God is a false perception. It is a lie used by certain religions to control people.

Or it could be a truth that some are not willing to accpet.

But in any case one would have to believe God is in all things like you do which Christianity does not. Christians are montheists. So I would say to you that the statement that no one is seperated from God is a false perception and is a lie used by certain religions to make people feel better without looking at the Truth.

 

[ACougar]

There is nothing but God, everything else is illusion.

I accepted the idea of Sin for many years, but I no longer believe in it. It has no place in Nature or the natural order.

 

[Multi-Elis]

There are many reasons for being an atheist, and many reasons for believing in God.
In order to answer why one should believe in God one must explain why he/she is an atheist.

From my experience, the debates above, do not deal with the question, because the reason most atheist are what they are is because of their experience, something they lived through or didn't live through, or a chosen out look on life. It is never objective reasons, just like it takes more than just objective reasons to be a christian, not because christianity is or isn't objective, but because we are subjective and we chose what we believe in not based on pure logic. We chose to ignore certain facts, not check them out, or to be ignorent about certain things, and this goes both ways for atheists and Christians alike.

So why are you an atheist? What is the real reason? Not the reasons you've come up with since you became an atheist, but that which caused you to be an atheist in the firts place?

 

[Brimshack]

"In order to answer why one should believe in God one must explain why he/she is an atheist."

I see absolutely no reason to accept this axiom.

 

[coastie]

From an evangelistic as well as an apologetic aspect niether do I.

Perhaps you meant "What would it take to prove to you that God does exist?"

 

[Brimshack]

That is a more interesting question, and it can be a tough one to answer.

 

[God of Atheism]

Since defiantchild seems to have lost interest, I'll step in. I am an atheist as well. I hear your evidence for God and all of it is nothing but comfort. You believe in God because it's comforting. I don't because your God isn't logical. I ask one of you to give me a single proof for God or if you would like, a proof of mine against him.

 

[Multi-Elis]

So my question to you is when and why did you start thinking that way.

 

[ACougar]

Since defiantchild seems to have lost interest, I'll step in. I am an atheist as well. I hear your evidence for God and all of it is nothing but comfort. You believe in God because it's comforting. I don't because your God isn't logical. I ask one of you to give me a single proof for God or if you would like, a proof of mine against him.

Bite into the wild apple, listen to a child laugh and scream when they play. Look up at the stars, contemplate the deep blue sea. Search you own heart and deep inside you'll find understanding. There is something below the surface of our perceptions, something that binds all things together as one. The hunter, the arrow and the prey. There is no way I could prove the existance of the stars if you were not willing to open your eyes and there is no way to prove the existance of God/dess if you are not willing to open your heart.

 

[Dream Weaver]

Since defiantchild seems to have lost interest, I'll step in. I am an atheist as well. I hear your evidence for God and all of it is nothing but comfort. You believe in God because it's comforting. I don't because your God isn't logical. I ask one of you to give me a single proof for God or if you would like, a proof of mine against him.

There are all kinds of ways to prove God to you. Just take a look around. How do you explain all that is around you? I am quite sure that you are prepared for an argument on this matter of which I don't have to be involved in. The great thing about "my God" as you put it, is He is more than capable of defending Himself.
Let me put it this way.
If I choose to serve God all my life and commit myself to His word and live according to his principles and commands and I am wrong about God, then the only thing that I have missed is a few diseases, alot of hangovers, and alot of lonliness. However, if I am right about God and you are wrong then eternity is a long time to feel regret. I am pretty sure that nothing I write will change your mind, so I just pray that God will intervene on your behalf and send someone on your path to love you and show you the real love of Christ and not some religion's version. God Bless

 

[God of Atheism]

Goodness, gracious, people! None of you have presented me with anything passing as proof. If we were in court, your case would be dismissed faster than...well...fast things.

You have given me your comments, here are my rebuttals and answers:

Multi-Elis- I have though this way for quite a few years now. I was never a Christian though I did believe in God for a time. It was comforting to have someone to talk to at all times, but after I realized that no one was there it was just creepy. I decided to go out and research God and find the answers. If there was proof God existed, I would remain true, if there was none or evidence against him, I would turn against him, and so I have.

ACougar- So your proof is life. You say 'How could this be without God?'

The answer is simple. First of all, just because we can't explain something doesn't mean God did it. The fact that you believe he did when there is no actual solid proof show that you are grasping at straws. As for how something like life could have come about without cause, read 'The Wave Funtion Theory of the Universe(s)' and maybe you'll understand. To be honest, I don't fully understand it myself but I'm working on it.

Let us assume that our universe was created by a being. What's to say it isn't the Islamic God? You have no proof whatsoever that it was your God that did it. It could have been Zeus, Horus, Thor, so on and so forth.

Dream Weaver- You seem to have the same response, in part, as ACougar. However, you also take the approach of 'What have I lost?' Well, I will tell you. Christianity is a lie. You have based your life off of a lie and you have become weak and co dependant because of it. If you did not have God or the bible or the church in your life I doubt you would last a week.

I am not trying to be cruel, just honest. The Bible preaches things that are immoral and wrong. It shows women as inferior, advises Christians not to consort with non believers, among countless other things that I won't go into here. If you would like the big list, please PM me and I'll be happy to talk to you about it.

I am an atheist but above that I am a truthseeker. I looked for the truth and atheism is what I found. It is filled with an abundance of proof and truth, something I could not find in religion. Show me one cold hard fact that proves, without a doubt, that your God exists and your Bible rings true.

I can give you thousands of proofs saying they aren't.

 

[Multi-Elis]

Let me explain how I became a sceptical christian so that you can understand what I'm asking you. I used to be a synical skeptical super judgemental christin. I didn't doubt God, I doubted every body and myself. Every where I looked I saw nothing but hypocrites myself included. So far nothing to do with the topic. But one day I asked myself, since when did I start thinking that way? I didn't just wake up one day and notice hypocracy. Even if it's true that everybody is a hypocrate, the way I started thinking and the details I noticed and the details I ignored depended on my new world view. So how did I become that way? Ahh - I got fired from my job, a job that was was my life's dream. That alone didn't do it. I felt ashamed of myself. I hated myself at one point. I read a book...voila the way I walked down the path...
There were events, sudden psychological changes that led to a strange view of life I had that led me to ignore certain information and notice other information.

So you probably had criteria for how you would know if you came accross proof that God existed. What were you expecting as proof? What do you expect now? (this has probably changed since you first took apon yourself that which has become your world view). So what were the events that led to your conclusion? When did you "break", draw conclusions? What event or psychological event led to this discovery that God didn't exist?

The reasons I think this is important is because I believe that what we chose to believe is based on a world view we have decided to take on. The only example I can think of at the moment is that I could chose to look at the fact that most swans are white in Europe or I could chose to look at the fact that black swans exist. Based on my view, I ignore and notice different facts. You chose to ignore for example that God is a possibility for our existance, I chose to ignore, for example, the fact that I don't always hear God's voice audiably speaking to me on a daily bases, or to be honest, rarely do I "hear" Him inaudiaubly, unless I'm completely unconcious about it (a fact I chose to notice).

 

[ACougar]

ACougar- So your proof is life. You say 'How could this be without God?'

The answer is simple. First of all, just because we can't explain something doesn't mean God did it. The fact that you believe he did when there is no actual solid proof show that you are grasping at straws. As for how something like life could have come about without cause, read 'The Wave Funtion Theory of the Universe(s)' and maybe you'll understand. To be honest, I don't fully understand it myself but I'm working on it.

Let us assume that our universe was created by a being. What's to say it isn't the Islamic God? You have no proof whatsoever that it was your God that did it. It could have been Zeus, Horus, Thor, so on and so forth.

The proof is Art, the proof is beauty, the proof is staring you in the face but your heart is closed. My God is Zues and Horus, Shiva and Shakti, the Great Goddess and the Horned God of the Hunt. My God is all things, and that which binds all things together. She is in the tree's, the sky, even in your wave function theory of the Universe(s.) I can show you tree's all day, it's up to you to recognize the forrest.