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That is a rather primitive vision, I think.
Let's face it:
There is contradiction and conflict within everything, the world is in conflict and contradiction within itself. The world contains the fact that it cannot exist which contradicts the fact that it does exist. And whatever material substance you research, you find the fact that matter can not exist, which is in contradiction with the fact that matter does exist. And because of this the world and all matter in it is eternally moving, without begin and without end.
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Yes it may be primitive,it was put forward by Isaac Newton several centuries ago. However I can't see the reasoning behind the second part of your posting
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I just mentioned the dialectical laws of Nature, which has the basic premature that everything is in contrast with itself. Every form of existence contains the fact that it cannot exist.
Let's look for instance at an electron. We have studied it for long an experimented with it and concluded that it was a particle small in size and with a small mass and charge, having momentum, spin, etc. This model works fine for a lot of experiments.
On the other hand we have discovered that an electron behaves just like light does, having wave properties. Wave tops and bottoms can extuingish each other, same as when we have two sources of waves in water, causing interference (not sure about the english term for this).
But clearly, something that has particle properties can't have at the same time wave properties. Yet, and electron does. But that is impossible, an electron can't exist, which conflicts/contradicts the fact that it does exist.
And another:
The world, the universe, as we see it now, contains the fact that it came from a finite moment back in time, when everything in space was contained within a very small region, with near to infinity pressure and density. This model has been worked out and concluded that everything that exists, has come into existence, including the space/time framework, out of ..... nothing. Which is impossible of course, so the world can not exist, which contradicts the fact that the world DOES exist.
Wherever you look and whatever you explore, you always find such contradictions within things. This holds true for everything, matter and nature itself, our reasoning about reality, etc.
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Yes I can agree with part of reasoning when we break the electron into quarks and the multitude of other particles including antimatter.The word you were looking for is diffraction[I think] But please I cannot grasp some of the other concepts.
I look forward to further postings,sulphur
I look forward to further postings,sulphur
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In a simplistic, childish way of thinking, yes.
But in a more intelligent and mature way of thinking, He's created us to be His companions, more like beloved pets than toys.
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Yeah, I believe that is true that we must endure suffering to really appreciate God's love. Ask just about every Christian here or that you know and I bet they say that is has no been an all peachy ride you know? But just like your spouse or something as you guys go through things...fights and stuggles here and there together...your love for each other is that much more you know? Thats just the way I feel about it.
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The laws of dialectical reasoning go about this.
First you have a thesis. Secondly you have the anti-thesis (a negation of the theses). Thirdly you have the synthesis, which is the negation of the anti-thesis (negation of negation).
Let us look at an example.
Let us take a seed of an apple. This is the thesis.
It's anti-thesis results in an apple tree growing, which negates the seed of an apple.
The synthesis are new apples, growing from the apple three.
This is called a dialectical process, and that is what occurs everywhere throughout nature. In this process, you get back what you start with, but not everything is the same as what you started with. Because in the first place, from one seed you grew an apple tree, and on the apple tree grew several new apples, so a quantitative change happens. And what also happens is that changes take place, like everywhere in natural development, that in the long run change the apple. So, also a qualitative change took place.
Let us take another figurative example.
First you have the creation, as stated in genesis. This is the theses.
Then you have the anti-thesis in science, stating that the world is without beginning nor end, infinite in extent, and which (the materialistic viewpoint, as for example put forward by Newton).
Thirdly you have the synthesis, in the form of the big bang theorie, stating that the world/universe in total, including time and space, came into being as some form a creation ex-nihilo.
And this is of course a great step, we now have in our outlook on the world/universe. Evolution explains that every detail of the universe, was caused, shaped, and formed by the matter and natural forces acting on it, which did not need a creator, as suggested in the Bible. But the universe as a whole, was born from a creation.
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lucaspa
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The "plaything" contradicts the strong theological message of Genesis 1. In contrast to the Enuma Elish, where the earth and humans were the playthings of the Babylonian pantheon, Genesis 1 emphasizes that everything created was "good" in and of itself, not as a something useful to God.
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lucaspa
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Now I see why Popper decided that Marxism was worthless.
First, Newton was not a materialist. Newton was looking for the secondary causes by which God works. So was Darwin.
Second, Big Bang does not mean you need a creator. There are other ways to get a Big Bang without creation ex nihilo. Hawking's No Boundary proposal is one such way. It has a Big Bang but has no creator.
"The success of scientific theories in describing events, most people have come to believe that God allows the universe to evolve according to a set of laws and does not intervene in the universe to break those laws. However, the laws do not tell us what the universe should have looked like when it started--it would still be up to God to wind up the clockwork and choose how to start it off. So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is really completely self-contained, having no boundary ir edge, it would have neither beginning nor end: it would simply be. What place, then for a creator?" S. Hawking, A Brief History of Time, pp. 140-141.
You've got to look at all the ideas put forth before you make such a simplistic analysis.
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I agree. But it is aside the subject.
I mentioned creation not creator
Well the no boundary proposal is in strict conformance with the materialistic world view.
I was not elaborating on the exact ideas, I was just framing these ideas into a dialectical thesis-anti-theses-synthesis triple, to explain the dialectical laws. But perhaps the formulation of the ideas was a bit obfuscated, I can agree on that, but that was not the point.
The first idea, the creation myth as still believed by some creationists, and in high concordance with a literal bible interpretation, states about the creation of every part of the universe (the heavens, the earth, the plants and animals, and man), which I took as my thesis.
This idea was negated by the materialist sciences, stating that these things evolved from evolution, which is the anti-thesis of the genesis story, and assuming the universe as some eternal and infinite entity.
And on top of that, we have the big bang cosmology, which explains the universe in it's totallity to have come into being from a "creation" (a state of the universe in which all matter, time and space came into being).
This was my synthesis.
I was just showing how the dialectical laws work, I was not elaborating on or validating the ideas themselves.
If you go from thesis to syntheses, you see that the orginal creation myth, was replaced by some higher form of creation, and no longer being a metaphysical idea, but plain robust scientific knowledge in form of a scientific theory.
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No, the wave propertie I tried to explain is not diffraction, which is for instance when light comes from one medium into another medium in which it has less speed.
Imagine a water surface at rest. You put a stick in it causing waves. And 10 cm next to it, you put another stick to it, causing waves.
The wave patterns you see now, come into interference with each other, causing an interference pattern. In some places a wave top extinguish a wave bottom, in other places you have a top and a top, etc.
When you use electrons, you can see this pattern just like it is a wave.
Clearly, a matter like particle, can not do that.
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Refraction occurs when light passes from one medium to another;it is bending of light waves.diffractin occurs wnen light waves pass through a grating producing inteference patterns.
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