God used Evolution to create man

bhsmte · Nov 2, 2014

Dizredux said:
Originally Posted by morse86

Looked him up. He sounds like a trip. Is he the successor to Fred Phelps?

Dizredux

He does sound like a trip. This is from his website:

We believe that the King James Bible is the word of God without error.

We believe that salvation is by grace through faith. Being born again by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is the only requirement for salvation.

We believe in the eternal security of the believer (once saved, always saved).

We believe that the unsaved will spend eternity in torment in a literal hell.

We believe that Jesus is God, and that Jesus Christ was conceived of the Holy Ghost and born of the virgin Mary.

We believe only in the local church and not in a universal church.

We reject the teaching of Calvinism and believe that God wants everyone to be saved.

We believe that the rapture will take place after the tribulation but before God pours out his wrath on this earth. We reject dispensationalism.

We believe that life begins at conception (fertilization) and reject all forms of abortion including surgical abortion, "morning-after" pills, IVF (In Vitro Fertilization), birth control pills, and all other processes that end life after conception.

We believe that homosexuality is a sin and an abomination which God punishes with the death penalty.

We oppose worldliness, modernism, formalism, and liberalism.

Tzaousios · Nov 2, 2014

Dizredux said:
Looked him up. He sounds like a trip. Is he the successor to Fred Phelps?

He might be on that track. There was a recent discussion between Anderson and the Calvinist debater and apologist James White in which Anderson's nutty KJVO beliefs were systematically dismantled.

Dr. James White Full Interview - NWO Bible Versions

JacksBratt · Nov 3, 2014

JayFern said:
The answer must be no to all of them until you can provide something other than just your say so.
If you can't provide evidence who's to say it wasn't the great Ju Ju who made it all happen?

Of course, to you...... But, I wasn't speaking to you, was I?

JacksBratt · Nov 3, 2014

KTS said:
So are you saying that a Christian who has killed someone is more deserving of heaven than an atheist who works to better society?

I can't answer for the poster, however, in my opinion, nobody is deserving of heaven. Everyone is a sinner. Only Christ lived a sinless life.

Kylie · Nov 4, 2014

driewerf said:
Jach Chick takes that position explicitly:
Gun Slinger

I find that attitude deeply disturbing.

Kylie · Nov 4, 2014

JacksBratt said:
I can't answer for the poster, however, in my opinion, nobody is deserving of heaven. Everyone is a sinner. Only Christ lived a sinless life.

Well...

Exodus 20:12 said:
Honour thy father and thy mother:

Luke 14:26 said:
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

AV1611VET · Nov 4, 2014

KTS said:
Well...

Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother:

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Rookie.

You had to use something from the Old Testament and then something from the New?

I can use back-to-back verses.

Proverbs 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

I hope you're not assuming your two passages (or mine) are contradictions?

pgardner2358 · Nov 4, 2014

Formatting errors due to Christian Forums electronic transcription server. Subject too involved to free-hand. Why do you nit-pick instead of considering logically the train of thinking, and it's import?

pgardner2358 · Nov 4, 2014

Cloning except for the chromosomes determing gender. This cloning would ensure that all of Adam's offspring had a free will. The gender- determining chromosomes are referred to as 'X' and 'Y'. Since a woman Has two X's and no Y, then you cannot 'clone' a man (who is XY) from a woman. BUT since a man has an X chromosome, the a woman (XX) could be 'cloned' from a man. I cannot put it any simpler. Either nit-pit, or rationally consider the content.

PsychoSarah · Nov 4, 2014

pgardner2358 said:
Cloning except for the chromosomes determing gender. This cloning would ensure that all of Adam's offspring had a free will. The gender- determining chromosomes are referred to as 'X' and 'Y'. Since a woman Has two X's and no Y, then you cannot 'clone' a man (who is XY) from a woman. BUT since a man has an X chromosome, the a woman (XX) could be 'cloned' from a man. I cannot put it any simpler. Either nit-pit, or rationally consider the content.

Not exactly right, but frankly, I have never heard of someone trying to produce a different sexed clone from the genetic material used.

Also, there are creatures which have no apparent chromosomal differences between sexes; I personally have no idea how that manages to work, but whatever, maybe we overlooked something. Birds have the females as hemizygous rather than the males (term for the gender with sex chromosomes that differ).

pgardner2358 · Nov 4, 2014

God is able. And it would be necessary.

PsychoSarah · Nov 4, 2014

pgardner2358 said:
God is able. And it would be necessary.

I don't think "necessary" applies to anything or any way an omnipotent deity goes about its business.

Loudmouth · Nov 5, 2014

pgardner2358 said:
I cannot put it any simpler. Either nit-pit, or rationally consider the content.

How do you rationally consider the claim that a supernatural deity cloned humans? How do you rationally consider this given all of the genetic and fossil evidence that contradicts the claim?

AV1611VET · Nov 5, 2014

Loudmouth said:
How do you rationally consider the claim that a supernatural deity cloned humans?

He didn't say that.

He said God made Eve from Adam; not the other way around.

Science shows that an Adam could produce an Eve by cloning; but an Eve cannot produce an Adam by cloning.

Loudmouth · Nov 5, 2014

AV1611VET said:
He didn't say that.

He said God made Eve from Adam; not the other way around.

That's right. How do you rationally consider the idea that a supernatural deity cloned humans?

Delphiki · Nov 5, 2014

AV1611VET said:
He didn't say that.

He said God made Eve from Adam; not the other way around.

Science shows that an Adam could produce an Eve by cloning; but an Eve cannot produce an Adam by cloning.

No it doesn't. Cloning will produce the same birth-gender as it's source.

If you modify the genes, let alone the chromosomes, can you say that's a clone?

Both male and female humans contain the genes to be male. The difference is that there are genes in the XX chromosome that deactivate the genes that make a male. The XY pair doesn't contain the genes that deactivate the "male" genes.

Because of this, men are technically just modified, less complete women. You have nipples, don't you? Why?

Delphiki · Nov 5, 2014

Loudmouth said:
That's right. How do you rationally consider the idea that a supernatural deity cloned humans?

Let's also throw out that if you could clone a male into a female (which you can't), that you couldn't possibly be asking for a more worse case scenario in inbreeding.

DerelictJunction · Nov 5, 2014

Delphiki said:
No it doesn't. Cloning will produce the same birth-gender as it's source.

If you modify the genes, let alone the chromosomes, can you say that's a clone?

Both male and female humans contain the genes to be male. The difference is that there are genes in the XX chromosome that deactivate the genes that make a male. The XY pair doesn't contain the genes that deactivate the "male" genes.

Because of this, men are technically just modified, less complete women. You have nipples, don't you? Why?

It saddens me to find out that I am less complete than my wife.

Isn't it bad enough that evolution has lowered me to the same level as animals? But nooooo!!! Now, I am even lower than the other half of our species.

I hate reality.

Delphiki · Nov 5, 2014

pgardner2358 said:
Cloning except for the chromosomes determing gender. This cloning would ensure that all of Adam's offspring had a free will. The gender- determining chromosomes are referred to as 'X' and 'Y'. Since a woman Has two X's and no Y, then you cannot 'clone' a man (who is XY) from a woman. BUT since a man has an X chromosome, the a woman (XX) could be 'cloned' from a man. I cannot put it any simpler. Either nit-pit, or rationally consider the content.

Not exactly how that would go over...

XX male syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The two X chromosomes in a woman aren't the same simply because they are both 'X' shaped.

AV1611VET · Nov 5, 2014

Loudmouth said:
That's right. How do you rationally consider the idea that a supernatural deity cloned humans?

Delphiki said:
No it doesn't. Cloning will produce the same birth-gender as it's source.

Delphiki said:
Let's also throw out that if you could clone a male into a female (which you can't), that you couldn't possibly be asking for a more worse case scenario in inbreeding.

I vote then that we throw out the idea of "cloning", since it is confusing you guys.

Science is getting in the way and preventing you from understanding.

What say you?

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