God used Evolution to create man

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

EternalDragon said:
That is if it is true that one somehow morphed into the other. So far
that has not been established.

Again, you have yet to understand that ancestral and transitional mean different things.

"In looking for the gradations by which an organ in any species has been perfected, we ought to look exclusively to its lineal ancestors; but this is scarcely ever possible, and we are forced in each case to look to species of the same group, that is to the collateral descendants from the same original parent-form, in order to see what gradations are possible, and for the chance of some gradations having been transmitted from the earlier stages of descent, in an unaltered or little altered condition."
The Origin of Species: Chapter 6

Even Darwin understood that transitionals are best viewed as sister taxa and not as direct ancestors.

justlookinla · Oct 29, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Again, you have yet to understand that ancestral and transitional mean different things.

"In looking for the gradations by which an organ in any species has been perfected, we ought to look exclusively to its lineal ancestors; but this is scarcely ever possible, and we are forced in each case to look to species of the same group, that is to the collateral descendants from the same original parent-form, in order to see what gradations are possible, and for the chance of some gradations having been transmitted from the earlier stages of descent, in an unaltered or little altered condition."
The Origin of Species: Chapter 6

Even Darwin understood that transitionals are best viewed as sister taxa and not as direct ancestors.

Wouldn't the alleged common life form of the elephant and pine tree be both ancestral and transitional?

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

justlookinla said:
Wouldn't the alleged common life form of the elephant and pine tree be both ancestral and transitional?

You tell us. Show us your understanding of these terms and how they are used in phylogenies and the theory of evolution.

justlookinla · Oct 29, 2014

justlookinla said:
Wouldn't the alleged common life form of the elephant and pine tree be both ancestral and transitional?

Loudmouth said:
You tell us. Show us your understanding of these terms and how they are used in phylogenies and the theory of evolution.

Transitional - "A transitional fossil is any fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral group and its derived descendant group."

Ancestral - "The actual or hypothetical organism or stock from which later kinds evolved."

So, the answer is yes. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

justlookinla said:
Transitional - "A transitional fossil is any fossilized remains of a life form that exhibits traits common to both an ancestral group and its derived descendant group."

Correct. We are the descendants of an ancestral lobe finned fish group. Transitionals between those two groups include Tiktaalik and Acanthostega. However, neither of these transitionals are assumed to be directly in the line between us and our lobe finned ancestors.

So, the answer is yes. Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?

Now how does that relate to trees, elephants, their last common ancestor, and transitionals?

justlookinla · Oct 29, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Correct. We are the descendants of an ancestral lobe finned fish group. Transitionals between those two groups include Tiktaalik and Acanthostega. However, neither of these transitionals are assumed to be directly in the line between us and our lobe finned ancestors.

Now how does that relate to trees, elephants, their last common ancestor, and transitionals?

Still waiting on that life form from which pine trees and elephants were created by only naturalistic mechanisms.

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

justlookinla said:
Still waiting on that life form from which pine trees and elephants were created by only naturalistic mechanisms.

Still waiting for you to address evidence and facts when they are presented.

JacksBratt · Oct 29, 2014

morse86 said:
No, evolution and the word of God are polar opposites.

God created everything. Everything. There is no "evolution" in God's creations.

1 John 1:3:
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:10:
He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Colossians 1:16:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

When it says God created man, that is it. Man was created by God. No evolution.

You don't see God offering salvation to the primates do you? That's because animals are not created in the image of God, we are!

Evolutionists try to deceptively hide the fact that life came from a rock. It serve no purpose to science...except for "population control", setting up the world stage for the antichrist, turning people away from God.

JacksBratt · Oct 29, 2014

AV1611VET said:
According to Luke, the "beloved physician," Adam was created.

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

JacksBratt · Oct 29, 2014

Neogaia777 said:
I disagree with you, but whatever... I believe in evolution and that God created Adam and set him apart, set him up, in a garden...

I understand that you believe that God created Adam, and in evolution. How can you blend these two beliefs?

JacksBratt · Oct 29, 2014

Neogaia777 said:
Evolution is a (form of) creation, an act of creating

Why do you think that the verses that describe creation are written in very exact distinct language that describes "there was evening and there was morning, the first day"? This is done for each day. This shows literal days.

Then, when describing the animals, the author, again, is very descriptive and precise in saying "each to its kind". This would indicate that each was created as a kind with no evolving from another kind or to another kind.

The book is written in very easy to understand, explicit, descriptive statements, almost as if to contradict evolution even before it was spawned.

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2014

JacksBratt said:
Why do you think that the verses that describe creation are written in very exact distinct language that describes "there was evening and there was morning, the first day"? This is done for each day. This shows literal days.

Then, when describing the animals, the author, again, is very descriptive and precise in saying "each to its kind". This would indicate that each was created as a kind with no evolving from another kind or to another kind.

The book is written in very easy to understand, explicit, descriptive statements, almost as if to contradict evolution even before it was spawned.

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

JacksBratt said:
Why do you think that the verses that describe creation are written in very exact distinct language that describes "there was evening and there was morning, the first day"? This is done for each day. This shows literal days.

The Tales of Paul Bunyan state quite literally that Babe the ox is blue.

Aesop has animals in his fables that literally talk.

The Harry Potter books describe literal brooms that are ridden during quidditch matches.

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2014

Loudmouth said:
The Harry Potter books describe literal brooms that are ridden during quidditch matches.

Thalidomide was prescribed as a prenatal wonder drug.

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

JacksBratt said:
I understand that you believe that God created Adam, and in evolution. How can you blend these two beliefs?

How do you blend the concepts of developmental biology and the Bible?

Jeremiah 1:
4Now the word of the LORD came to me saying, 5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."

Developmental Biology: Developmental biology is the study of the process by which organs grow and develop, and is closely related to Ontogeny. Modern developmental biology studies the genetic control of cell growth, differentiation and morphogenesis, which is the process that gives rise to tissues, organs and anatomy, but also regeneration and aging.
Developmental biology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Loudmouth · Oct 29, 2014

AV1611VET said:
Thalidomide was prescribed as a prenatal wonder drug.

Without using science, demonstrate that it isn't.

Dizredux · Oct 29, 2014

AV1611VET said:
Thalidomide was prescribed as a prenatal wonder drug.

As I understand it, this was mostly done by marketing people, not scientists.

Dizredux

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2014

Loudmouth said:
Without using science, demonstrate that it isn't.

Science built it.

AV1611VET · Oct 29, 2014

Dizredux said:
As I understand it, this was mostly done by marketing people, not scientists.

Where did the marketing people get it?

Dizredux · Oct 29, 2014

AV1611VET said:
Where did the marketing people get it?

The marketing people didn't get it, they sold it. Research, manufacturing and marketing; three different concepts.

Dizredux

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