God used Evolution to create man

[bhsmte]

And who can pick'em better than God!?

God apparently likes anonymous authors.

 

[Loudmouth]

And yet he suffered martyrdom for saying he was.

Makes sense ... if you're Mark Twain.

I see that you have to run away from your earlier comments.

 

[Loudmouth]

You're not familiar with the art of amanuensis, are you?

Tell you what:

Write a letter to Maria, then give it to Sue.

If Sue photocopies it and then gives it to Alice, who wrote the letter?

Hear a story about Paul Bunyan, write it down and put your own name on it. What do you have? Plagarism of a fictional story.

 

[madaz]

There's the problem, right there: scholars.

Agreed, why should we appeal to experts on the bible when most agree Jesus existed. (Sarc) *sigh*

 

[AV1611VET]

Agreed, why should we appeal to experts on the bible when most agree Jesus existed. (Sarc) *sigh*

Amateurs penned the Bible; experts wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races and its sequel, Mein Kampf.

 

[morse86]

Amateurs penned the Bible; experts wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races and its sequel, Mein Kampf.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes it is.




Yes, it is.



Yes, it is.



Aaaand again, everything wrong.
Most people who accept evolution actually are theists and it doesn't take any faith since we can prove every single element of evolution.



Yes, we can. And we have. And we still are.



I agree up to the "refutable" point.
Yes, creationism is refutable. And it has been refuted. Actually not only by evolution, but by many, many, many other scientific fields.

So yeah, evolution and creationism... not really comparible.
One has been tested over and over again, makes testable prediction, has practical application...
The other one is a story, internally inconsistend, and in contrary to everything we have learned about the real world through science.

I would like to see these new species you speak of. Or the transitional species that are leading to new species. Not just mutations that aren't repeated.

I would like to see the repeating beginning of the original life forms that began the road of evolution....Scientists can't even do it in controlled conditions.

Most "theists" that believe God used evolution are not taking the truth of the Bible as it was intended. Even so, truth is not a democracy.

What proof do you have that creation didn't happen as it was written. Many experts for both evolution and creation use the same data, history, and scientific information to prove their arguments.

Creation is not comparable to evolution in the sense that creation gives a method for the start of life, creation gives a purpose, creation provides the explanation for the many fascinating designs in nature, science, space, mathematics and humanity. Creation gives an explanation for the existence of love, sacrifice, sympathy, humor, the existence of two different sex's and the existence of good and evil. Creation gives an explanation for the existence of the spirit world, ghosts and paranormal activity, Creation gives the explanation of universal moral code, right and wrong and ethics.

Evolution cannot produce a reason for any of these.

 

[Euler]

I would like to see these new species you speak of. Or the transitional species that are leading to new species. Not just mutations that aren't repeated.

All the species that you see in existence are "new" species, in the sense that they still exist while 98% of their forerunners are extinct.

All species are "transitional", in that each succeeding generation have mutations not present in their forerunners.

I would like to see the repeating beginning of the original life forms that began the road of evolution....Scientists can't even do it in controlled conditions.

So would I. We haven't solved that question yet. But it plays NO part in understanding evolution.

Most "theists" that believe God used evolution are not taking the truth of the Bible as it was intended. Even so, truth is not a democracy.

Seems like it is. Every theist you speak to has their own version of Biblical "truth".

What proof do you have that creation didn't happen as it was written. Many experts for both evolution and creation use the same data, history, and scientific information to prove their arguments.

Aren't you strong enough? Can't carry that burden of proof, so you have to shift it to those who don't accept your claims?

Creation is not comparable to evolution in the sense that creation gives a method for the start of life, creation gives a purpose, creation provides the explanation for the many fascinating designs in nature, science, space, mathematics and humanity. Creation gives an explanation for the existence of love, sacrifice, sympathy, humor, the existence of two different sex's and the existence of good and evil. Creation gives an explanation for the existence of the spirit world, ghosts and paranormal activity, Creation gives the explanation of universal moral code, right and wrong and ethics.

And it's not comparable to evolution, because it has NO evidence to support its claims, whereas evolutionary theory has truckloads.

Evolution cannot produce a reason for any of these.

But it does have all the evidence!

 

[Shemjaza]

Amateurs penned the Bible; experts wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races and its sequel, Mein Kampf.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yet another creationist who doesn't understand how the scientific method works.

Let's start with observable, shall we? In the scientific method, you use observations to test a hypothesis. Unfortunately, creationists misinterpret this to mean that you have to observe the hypothesis. This is incorrect. The hypothesis is never an observation. You use observations to TEST the hypothesis.

What needs to be repeatable? The observations, not the hypothesis.

What is the hypothesis/theory? Evolution.

What are the repeatable observations? Fossils, morphology of living species, biogeography, and the DNA sequence of genomes, to name a few. All of these observations meet the requirements of science, and they can and are used to test the theory of evolution.

Is the theory of evolution refutable, or falsifiable as it is more commonly phrased? Absolutely. Here are 29 potential falsifications for the theory of evolution:

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent




We don't need faith. We have repeatable observations that support the theory of evolution:

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Also, you have offered zero evidence for a creator deity, so there is nothing to deny. Your beliefs are not evidence. It is strange that you ignore the evidence supporting evolution, and then accept creationism without one iota of evidence.



Forensic scientists do not witness the a murder, yet they can gather scientific evidence after the fact to test whether or not a suspect is guilty. Evolution is no different. There is evidence in the present that was created by events in the past, and we can use that evidence to test the theory of evolution. We can also observe living populations to test specific mechanisms, such as natural selection, speciation, and mutagenesis.



False. As has already been shown, evolution is backed by repeatable observations, is testable, and is falsifiable.

What One Famous Scientist Said About Evolution

"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this [evolution] stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me ....."
"[The] question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing - it ought not to be taught in high school"."
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Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981. Unpublished transcript.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

What One Famous Scientist Said About Evolution

"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this [evolution] stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me ....."
"[The] question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing - it ought not to be taught in high school"."
​

Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Palaeontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981. Unpublished transcript.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7840061-8/#post66268103

Please click on the link in that post for the original letter Dr. Patterson wrote explaining how creationists had unethically manipulated what he actually said.

 

[JacksBratt]

All the species that you see in existence are "new" species, in the sense that they still exist while 98% of their forerunners are extinct.

Please show me an species that is changing or evolving into a new and more advanced or more well adapted species at this present time.

Also, please show me the evidence for the 98% of missing or extinct species. There must be thousands upon thousands if the existing creatures is only 2 % of the previously existing creatures.

Please show me evidence of the thousands of missing transitional species that would have had to have existed for millions of years between the species that we have fossils for.

Please explain the existence of fossils said to be millions of years old yet are identical to the creature we have today, with no change.

So would I. We haven't solved that question yet. But it plays NO part in understanding evolution.

So you have know way to explain how life started or got here or began. So let's skip that "little" detail and just jump to "now that it's here, this is what it did from there". You say "it's here so it must have "showed up somehow"

I have more respect for people who say that aliens seeded us here.

You are evolving organisms that have no starting point.

Seems like it is. Every theist you speak to has their own version of Biblical "truth".

Yep. How many different Christian religious church affiliations are there? All with their own twist on how we should worship God.

Aren't you strong enough? Can't carry that burden of proof, so you have to shift it to those who don't accept your claims?

I think you missed my point. What I am saying is that if this was to go to a court of law, both sides would use the same evidence to prove their point. All your evidence used to prove your case can be used just as strongly to prove or disprove your argument when people expert in the respective fields with a bent for or against evolution apply it.
You know this to be true as I know you have used the internet to search your data.

And it's not comparable to evolution, because it has NO evidence to support its claims, whereas evolutionary theory has truckloads.

Again, there are experts in the various scientific fields that have far more education and knowledge than I do that can prove you wrong and prove you right, using the existing scientific data that we have today.

But it does have all the evidence!

See above.


Quick question. How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.

 

[AV1611VET]

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I think not.

 

[madaz]

Amateurs penned the Bible; experts wrote The Preservation of Favoured Races and its sequel, Mein Kampf.

Proverbs 13:5
The righteous hates falsehood, but the wicked brings shame and disgrace.

 

[AV1611VET]

Proverbs 13:5
The righteous hates falsehood, but the wicked brings shame and disgrace.

QV please:

Satan has written a bible.

It's called The Preservation of Favoured Races.

He wrote its sequel too: Mein Kampf.

 

[madaz]

How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.

Are you serious?

 

[Euler]

Please show me an species that is changing or evolving into a new and more advanced or more well adapted species at this present time.

All of them. They all mutate from one generation to the next. Beneficial ones are selected, harmful ones tend to be eliminated.

Also, please show me the evidence for the 98% of missing or extinct species. There must be thousands upon thousands if the existing creatures is only 2 % of the previously existing creatures.

Here's one to get you started - there are dozens.

http://www.sciencelearn.org.nz/Cont...hibians/Science-Ideas-and-Concepts/Extinction

Please show me evidence of the thousands of missing transitional species that would have had to have existed for millions of years between the species that we have fossils for.

And let me guess: for each additional fossil that is found, you'll claim 2 more 'gaps' that need to be filled, right?

Please explain the existence of fossils said to be millions of years old yet are identical to the creature we have today, with no change.

You had some examples in mind?

So you have know way to explain how life started or got here or began.

No. Only that it obviously did.

So let's skip that "little" detail and just jump to "now that it's here, this is what it did from there". You say "it's here so it must have "showed up somehow"

I have more respect for people who say that aliens seeded us here.

Speaking of "seeded", some of my family are farmers. Very good farmers. They're very skilled in being able to get things to grow well.

And you know what? They're able to do that, without knowing where the dirt came from in the first place. Strange huh?

You are evolving organisms that have no starting point.

My family farms just fine without knowing where the dirt came from. Or the water, for that matter.

Evolutionary theory works just fine too, without knowing for sure where the first life came from.

Yep. How many different Christian religious church affiliations are there? All with their own twist on how we should worship God.

About 40,000 I'm told. All with their own pipeline to the "truth".

I think you missed my point. What I am saying is that if this was to go to a court of law, both sides would use the same evidence to prove their point. All your evidence used to prove your case can be used just as strongly to prove or disprove your argument when people expert in the respective fields with a bent for or against evolution apply it.
You know this to be true as I know you have used the internet to search your data.

You know nothing. You only think you know. How does creationism explain the locations of endogenous retroviral insertions within primates - particularly chimpanzees and humans?

Again, there are experts in the various scientific fields that have far more education and knowledge than I do that can prove you wrong and prove you right, using the existing scientific data that we have today.

Science attempts to "prove" nothing.

Quick question. How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.

Quicker answer. It doesn't.


You're kinda funny.

 

[madaz]

I think not.

No conscience ay?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Please show me an species that is changing or evolving into a new and more advanced or more well adapted species at this present time....

Every species is evolving every time they have offspring.

There isn't suddenly a new species created so your request is nonsensical in terms of evolution.

 

[Golden Yak]

Quick question. How does evolution explain paranormal activity, ghosts, UFO's, aliens etc.

Quicker answer. It doesn't.

Well, in the case of aliens, if they're comparable to us then evolution would explain how they and their biosphere of origin developed and diversified. It doesn't cover that other stuff though.