God, thoughforms, mindsets, and sinlessness

[korvus]

I recently replied a couple posts from a fellow Christian about sin and Jesus.

He mentioned that through Jesus we become sinless, which initially I couldn't buy. Mainly because sin is defined as separation from God, which being a human is the start to sin. It's inevitable.

- PSYCHOBABBLE AHEAD -

I though decided to give this idea a chance. I've for a while have been experimenting with thoughtforms and other psychological phenomena, and I've found some interesting things through this. I'm often distracted due to my ADHD, but I thought What if my thoughtform, Luna, could control my thoughts for me? I noticed before that whenever I'd think about a disturbing image, I'd sometimes see her instead blocking the image.
So I asked her if she could, for a span of time, 'block' away any thoughts that distract me from my work. It worked. I tried to wander off, but I felt her keeping me from thinking of anything else besides the task on hand. It was very successful, so I decided to take it a step further.
I recently asked her if she could 'force' me to do my work and only do my work. She was a little reluctant to do that for me (well-being and moral reasons), but I assured her. It's not completely forcing as it only works as long as I /want/ to do work. So for a half hour, it was just me diligently doing my incredibly dull work that I've never really been able to focus on for any good span of time.

- PSYCHOBABBLE END -

So from these tests I concluded that with a thoughtform or maybe even a powerful mindset you setup for yourself, you can allow it to 'possess' your mind to an extent to radically change your though processes for any amount of time virtually no matter what, but of course as long as the person truly wants to be able to let this happen.

From a psychological perspective, God is a thoughtform; Basically an imaginary friend that takes on a subconscious-based sentience. God is real, but only to the individual in 'clones'. If with my thoughtform I was able to let her make me act in a completely different way, perhaps God, being a thoughtform as well, could do the same?

Do you think a person though 'God' be able to take on a 'sinless' way of thinking and truly improve their lives overall?

What do you think about this theory in general?

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Do you think a person though 'God' be able to take on a 'sinless' way of thinking and truly improve their lives overall?

What do you think about this theory in general?

I think gods are imaginary, a legacy of primitive human beginnings, they exist only in our minds and thoughts. They help console and give us hope.
As for the concept of sin? That is a human concept that plays on ones fears and ones guilt. A valuable recruitment tool to assist the great commission.

 

[korvus]

I think gods are imaginary, a legacy of primitive human beginnings, they exist only in our minds and thoughts. They help console and give us hope.
As for the concept of sin? That is a human concept that plays on ones fears and ones guilt. A valuable recruitment tool to assist the great commission.

Agreed.

I'm shaky on the concept of sin, but I see your point.

I can't stand when people in general criticize religion as something no one should follow, even though it's in a way just something to hold the passions and doesn't necessarily need to be based on doctrine.

Art can be a religion, psychiatry can be a religion, atheism can be a religion.

 

[Sectio Aureo]

Agreed.

I'm shaky on the concept of sin, but I see your point.

I can't stand when people in general criticize religion as something no one should follow, even though it's in a way just something to hold the passions and doesn't necessarily need to be based on doctrine.

Art can be a religion, psychiatry can be a religion, atheism can be a religion.

Religion helps bad people be good. For this reason alone I support religion in this sense.
However, I cant stand it when Christians claim they are non-religious or that their faith is not based on doctrine or that atheism is a religion. These claims are simply unsound.

 

[Gadarene]

Agreed.

I'm shaky on the concept of sin, but I see your point.

I can't stand when people in general criticize religion as something no one should follow, even though it's in a way just something to hold the passions and doesn't necessarily need to be based on doctrine.

Art can be a religion, psychiatry can be a religion, atheism can be a religion.

I haven't yet come across a religion that doesn't use some kind of anthropomorphism/personification of what's out there, or uses already-loaded terms like "God" for whatever forces are out there and they deem important.

The tendency to personify things is a fairly well-known bias of our species, and I see no need to pander to it. Many religions too also pander to our apophenia.

I'd agree that religions do fulfil real emotional needs and contain some important practices, I just don't see the necessity of shackling them to shaky and baseless ideas, which are usually the god/higher-power concepts. It needlessly weakens them.

As for the usage of the term "God", yes, I suppose it's not always used as a personification - there are some people out there who really do just seem to mean "the universe" when they say God so I think they're basically on the same page as me - I just don't see the point in using God in lieu of "universe" as it is both loaded due to its historical (over)use and its implied personification.

 

[jayem]

II'd agree that religions do fulfil real emotional needs and contain some important practices, I just don't see the necessity of shackling them to shaky and baseless ideas, which are usually the god/higher-power concepts. It needlessly weakens them.

Agreed. But aside from providing psychological comfort to individuals, religion also promotes social cohesion. Common beliefs and rituals strengthen the bonding within a group. I'm sure religion has proliferated so widely in our species because societies united by religion are more cooperative and have less interpersonal conflict. More members survive and produce more offspring, who are in turn acculturated with the prevailing belief system. But by the same token, that's also one of its biggest failings. Religion fosters hostility toward groups with different practices and beliefs. Social concordance too often becomes tribalism, with horrific and bloody results. As history has shown.

 

[Non sequitur]

Religion helps bad people be good. For this reason alone I support religion in this sense.

And when religion helps good people be bad, do you not support it?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

God is real, but only to the individual in 'clones'.

I like this one.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

And when religion helps good people be bad, do you not support it?

Did you not see the word "alone" in my statement?

 

[Non sequitur]

Did you not see the word "alone" in my statement?

Yes. (Although the lack of a comma makes it hard to figure out exactly what you mean.)

For that reason alone do/would you not?

 

[brightlights]

Religion helps bad people be good. For this reason alone I support religion in this sense.
However, I cant stand it when Christians claim they are non-religious or that their faith is not based on doctrine or that atheism is a religion. These claims are simply unsound.

What's bad people and good people?

 

[korvus]

What's bad people and good people?

Depends on what the religion defines as bad or good people.