God the HEALER

[brinny]

Jim, Probinson, join in, my brothers

 

[probinson]

Paul was sick, and he left a lot of other people sick,

"A lot" of other people might just qualify for the overstatement of the year.

but that is the way it is because God wants some people sick.

And that is one of the biggest reasons I post in this forum, because I hope and pray that from the discussion and scriptures presented, the Holy Spirit will lead people away from this damaging belief.

 

[brinny]

c'mon my beloved brothers in Christ, and sons of the Most High God, praise our Healer, our God

 

[brinny]

YouTube - Kim Walker, We Cry Out

 

[disciple-ofjesus]

Can't stay on the topic, huh?

Pointing out you can't read what is posted. You are not reading what is posted, so therefore, you are off topic to start. If you are having difficulty, please, don't come to the thread ok? Thanks.

 

[Joy]

"A lot" of other people might just qualify for the overstatement of the year.



And that is one of the biggest reasons I post in this forum, because I hope and pray that from the discussion and scriptures presented, the Holy Spirit will lead people away from this damaging belief.

I agree Pete and I'm glad you post here

 

[JimfromOhio]

"A lot" of other people might just qualify for the overstatement of the year.



And that is one of the biggest reasons I post in this forum, because I hope and pray that from the discussion and scriptures presented, the Holy Spirit will lead people away from this damaging belief.

Me too.

Like I said in the past, Job’s three friends simply assumed. Whenever and wherever there is one, there is the other. Notwithstanding what they knew to be true about Job’s character, they refused to budge. They refused to allow the possibility that on occasion, as mysterious as it might seem, a righteous man might suffer greatly. Regarding Job's FRIENDS, every statement of Job's three friends was TRUE and their reasoning was impeccable. They said that God punishes sinners -- and they were right. They said that none could hide his sins from God -- and they were right! Now we need to look at the Book of Job to find out WHY and Where then were they wrong? At the end of the book, we read this profound statement: "After the Lord had finished speaking with Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite: 'I am angry with you and your two friends, for you have not been right in what you have said about me, as my servant Job was. Now take seven young bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer a burnt offering for yourselves; and my servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer on your behalf, and won't destroy you as I should because of your sin, your failure to speak rightly concerning my servant Job" (Job 42:7-8). They were in error because they ASSUMED that Job SINNED, based on the "evidence" of his sufferings alone. Just as people assume why some are not healed because it is not God’s faulty therefore, the fault falls on a person who is not healed.

Just because we don't see a reason for evil and suffering doesn't mean there's not a reason for it. Consider the story of Joseph and the amazing conclusion in Genesis 50:20 - " You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives." There are countless other stories, where suffering was not good, but with time and perspective, some see the good that resulted from the pain and tragedy in their lives. Although suffering is real and although pain abides, we know that this is the way that God in His magnificient grace has chosen to save the world. The circumstances surronding our lives are no accident: they may be the work of evil, but that evil is held firmly within the mighty hand of our sovereign God.

Although our contemporary preoccupation is physcial healing, we err by failing to understand the miracle of God’s grace in granting the power necessary for endurance and patience. Scripture teaches that although God is concerned about our bodies, He is infinitely more concerned about our souls (Matt. 10:28). God did not rescue Paul in Asia (2 Cor. 1:8-11) or spare Epaphroditus from death (Phil. 1:27) in order to encourage others to seek a miraculous deliverance from affliction. Rather, these acts of deliverance were intended to encourage Paul and the rest of God's people to endure suffering in their own lives as a profound testimony of God's sufficiency (2 Cor. 1:6; 4:7-12; Phil. 4:6). This side of Christ's return, God does not reveal His power and love in our lives primarily by performing miracles but by enabling us to persevere in the midst of adversity because of our trust in Him. God rescued Paul in the past to teach him to trust God for his future, in order that he might endure in the present. We must leave room for mystery in God’s ways. Some things will always remain unexplained. Why God does or does not choose to heal is ultimately subject to his wisdom and sovereign purposes. Why God chooses to heal in part or in whole, now or later, this person but not that one, is often beyond our capacity to understand.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Pointing out you can't read what is posted. You are not reading what is posted, so therefore, you are off topic to start. If you are having difficulty, please, don't come to the thread ok? Thanks.

I thought you guys aren't reading. I guess we all are not reading.

 

[disciple-ofjesus]

reading Jim, just NOT agreeing with you. HUGE difference..

 

[JimB]

Why do you do this? Have you read the thread at all? Any of it? No one is saying anything remotely similar to what you've stated here. No one.

Here are some posts for you from the first page of the thread;

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So as you can see, no one is saying anything about us "earning" our healing because we did something to achieve it. Quite the opposite actually.

Why don't you try dropping your preconceived ideas of what you think everyone is saying and read what is actually being said?

Who’s responding to anyone? It’s an opinion, Pete, a general statement. I am entitled to an opinion just like you are. If it doesn’t apply to you, fine. Just overlook it.

Sheesh.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[JimB]

Again, 2 Peter 3:9 calls into question this logic;

2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
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So using your above logic, your question could be rephrased as follows;

Then why would someone perish at all if God did not want it? Is God so impotent that He cannot bring His will to pass?
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I’ll repeat … Freewill is God’s will. And I believe that even those who choose (via freewill) hell over Jesus Christ do so because God allows it. Ergo, their right to choose their eternal destiny is God’s will, even if they choose hell. Of course He “wants” you to choose repentance but His will is that you have the freedom, the freewill, to choose and that preempts what He “wants.”

Will I need to repeat this again?

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[JimB]

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The implication here is clear; things can only happen if God wants them to. But 2 Peter 3:9 says just the opposite.

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See my previous post.

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

 

[disciple-ofjesus]

I’ll repeat … Freewill is God’s will. And I believe that even those who choose (via freewill) hell over Jesus Christ do so because God allows it. Ergo, their right to choose their eternal destiny is God’s will, even if they choose hell. Of course He “wants” you to choose repentance but His will is that you have the freedom, the freewill, to choose and that preempts what He “wants.”

Will I need to repeat this again?

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​

something to ponder.

Can I ask that you can some of your snark? You can make your point without the nasty comments. Lets try a little love for a change...

 

[probinson]

It’s an opinion, Pete, a general statement.

You said that people were saying that healing was all about them. That's not an "opinion". It's a false representation of what people here are saying. If you read through the thread, ABSOLUTELY NO ONE is saying that.

So who are these people?

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Perhaps everyone missed this. I did not get any reponses:

Originally Posted by Pat Colby

Thank you Lismore.Yes,sadly the sick ones in our churches are often looked down upon.That is a good point about the woman who bled.Great words,God bless.​

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Well shame on those who would do that. Uncalled for and bad form.

On the other side. Don't you worry that by suggesting to people that God does not want them healed or that God has purpose for their sickness... that perhaps they will not act on their faith and touch the master's robe?
After all... people who do not think God wants them healed will never have that confidence. Do you think that perhaps in your zeal you are actually working against the will of God for them? You may essentially be talking them out of believing God for healing?



In short... what would you have told the women with the issue of blood? Would you have suggested to her that the Lord might want her sick? Would not that suggestion constitute a doubt, and that doubt destory her faith?
What would you have told the women?

Mar 5:25-29
(25) And a certain woman, which had an issue of blood twelve years,
(26) And had suffered many things of many physicians, and had spent all that she had, and was nothing bettered, but rather grew worse,
(27) When she had heard of Jesus, came in the press behind, and touched his garment.
(28) For she said, If I may touch but his clothes, I shall be whole.
(29) And straightway the fountain of her blood was dried up; and she felt in her body that she was healed of that plague.

Mar 5:34
(34) And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.


Any answer to this?

 

[probinson]

I’ll repeat … Freewill is God’s will. And I believe that even those who choose (via freewill) hell over Jesus Christ do so because God allows it. Ergo, their right to choose their eternal destiny is God’s will, even if they choose hell. Of course He “wants” you to choose repentance but His will is that you have the freedom, the freewill, to choose and that preempts what He “wants.”

Are you now drawing a distinction between what God "wants" and what He "wills"?

 

[disciple-ofjesus]

why can't we listen, and have preconceived ideas and reply with canned responses? Goodness. God provided for our healing. By HIS stripes we ARE healed. Now why are some not? I DON'T KNOW. I can't answer for God. There are some things, I am convinced we won't ever know till we get to heaven.

 

[Yitzchak]

I think it is clear that God heals. I get that even with a casual reading of the bible. Also God does heal every believer because even those who are not healed on this earth are healed in heaven. So then any " failure " to receive healing is a temporary setback in view of eternity. It is therefore clear to me that it is God's will to heal every believer and since it would be God's will for everyone to be a believer in Him , God clearly wants everyone healed.
For me that is the bottomline of the issue. God's will in heaven where there are no obstacles is for everyone to be healed. And so they are.

It is also clear that not everyone is healed on this earth. Is it a timing thing and some just have to wait longer than tohers like Abraham waiting years for the promised son ?

It does not bother my faith that some are not immediately healed or even if they don't get healed until heaven. I think my part is to continue in faith that God is a good God and will heal.

Is it possible to spped up our healing ? I am not sure. I think it is possible to slow it down , at least. There is some testing that we all have to go through. One primary bible example given for us is the children of Israel in thedesert. They had a journey through the desert that they could not avoid. but they managed to make that journey into a whole generation because of lack of faith. The Bible says that and tells us not to follow their example of unbelief.

So I don't think we can make it happen just because we want it to. But God making us a promise and us having faith in that promise is how it works. It worked for Abraham and Isaac and it worked for The Children of Israel. How much more does it work in the New Covenant. healing is part of what Jesus bought for us on Calvary.

So I don't like the terminolgy that it isn't God's will to heal. It is more an issue of timing to me. I also Don't like the idea that we have to strive and throw a fit if we have to wait for our healing.

I don't get what the arguement is about. God never told us to take a stand for sickness. If we are standing in faith like Abraham and it takes years for us to get the promise , there is no shame in that. But are we standing in faith ? That is a legitimate question to ask ourselves .

I think it overthinks the issue to see all kinds of purpose in the sickness. That is one of those things that takes care of itself without any effort from us. I believe we are to continue to stand in faith and not over analysis it.

If some have more insight than me, more power to you. Praise the Lord I am not the full wisdom of the church. God has many more insights than I know about.

 

[probinson]

We must leave room for mystery in God’s ways. Some things will always remain unexplained.

But you're not doing that. You've offered your one-size-fits-all explanation for why some people are not healed; God's will.

 

[JimB]

something to ponder.

Can I ask that you can some of your snark? You can make your point without the nasty comments. Lets try a little love for a change...

Then, may I ask that you can some of your rudeness?

~Jim

Remember the weekday and keep it holy.​