God Says Scripture Is Not Of Any Private Interpretation!!

SackLunch · Aug 19, 2005

corvus_corax said:
SackLunch, please put up or shut up.
You still have YET to respond to my three points above, just as you have YET to answer many of the other questions posed to you in this thread

Of course, he may have me on ignore

EDIT- original questions are in Post #6 on this thread

No, I don't have anyone on Ignore really. Why should I? Anyhow, here is the answer to your questions.

The reason God sent Jesus into the world was to save the world through Him. You see, nobody can be "good enough," because there is no such thing. The Bible says that all have sinned and have fallen short of the glory of God. None of us are good; we all have a bent towards that which is evil. None of us has never lied, or never cheated, or never stolen. None of us has never had a bad thought creep into our minds. We have all fallen short of God's glory.

The only way we can atone for this sin is to accept the love of God through Jesus Christ. God sent Jesus to us so that by believing in Him, we can have eternal life. We don't have to follow a set of rules and regulations. We don't have to try and try and try, never knowing. We CAN know, because Jesus Himself said that He was the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, and that nobody comes to the Father but through Him.

If you would like to accept God's salvation today, please pray this prayer with me: "Dear Jesus, I am a sinner, and I'm sorry for my sins. I know you died on that cross for my sins. Come into my heart and life, Jesus, and make me a new creation in You. Amen."

If you prayed that prayer, please stop by and visit www.stepstopeace.com. Also you can visit www.christiananswers.net to answer questions regarding your walk with Jesus Christ. And, you can read the first chapter of the Book of John at www.biblegateway.org.

Caphi · Aug 19, 2005

Possible response #1: Tract much?

Possible response #2: Seems a bit unfair, sending people into eternal fire for their beliefs, doesn't it?

nvxplorer · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
We CAN know, because Jesus Himself said that He was the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, and that nobody comes to the Father but through Him.

This is seen by many as cruel doctrine. How many millions of people who, through no fault of their own, are prohibited from coming to the Father because of the circumstance of not knowing about Jesus or Christianity?

Welgaia · Aug 19, 2005

Keep going SackLunch! You're almost there! Just a little farther, right Hamjam?

cheep cheep!

nvxplorer · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
We don't have to try and try and try, never knowing.

If I showed you a book that claimed humans were capable of unaided flight, would you jump off a cliff and attempt to fly? Could you believe such a claim even with intense trying and trying and trying? Well, that is how an atheist views your claims about God and Jesus.

Battie · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch, your answer above has absolutely nothing to do with Corvus's questions. Posting the salvation prayer everywhere after evading people's questions is not winning anyone over.

Please do this honestly. If anyone here wants to know how to be saved, they know they are free to PM any of us or they can ask publicly elsewhere on CF. You can see by the responses here that no one is satisfied by your answers. I appreciate your politeness here and am glad that you are so eager to witness, but please consider that your tactics here are only damaging to your witness because it seems, even if you don't mean to be, that you are answering dishonestly. As your sister in Christ, I am distressed that this may be pushing others further from Jesus, not closer to Him.

seymoromnis · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
There have been several threads started recently regarding Scriptural interpretations. What does the Bible say about this matter? Does God allow for such "other interpretations?"

2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. All this talk of "well you have your own interpreatation" and "you worship the Bible" is simply not biblical. Reading the Bible and taking God for His word IS biblical, and clearly, it's what God tells us to do.

The Bible did not come about by man's words. The Bible is inspired by God. Furthermore, it is not open to interpretation or reinterpretation. It says what it says. God says what He says, whether we like it or not.

Interpretation is required b/c if we do not then how do we know what to believe?

corvus_corax · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
No, I don't have anyone on Ignore really. Why should I? Anyhow, here is the answer to your questions.
<snip COMPLETELY irrelevant evangelizing>

Actually, you are wrong
Your post didnt answer a single one of my questions.
NOT ONE

I'll post them again to see if you can actually be a straightforward, honest, forthright christian-
1- So, then, you are opposed to women teaching in church?
2- You believe in speaking in tongues and the handling of serpents?
3- You firmly believe that all Christian women should have long hair and that christian men should all have short hair?
(1)"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

(2)"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

(3)"Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practicenor do the churches of God."

Remember, no "interpretation" please. Plain reading, no eisegesis, no modern day cultural influence, no personal bias, and DEFINITELY no denominational influences are allowed.
The bible says it, you believe it, and that settles it, right?

'Fess up. Those women should keep quiet in church with their long hair, except when they're speaking in tongues or possibly handling snakes, right?

I mean, that's a straightforward non-interpretive reading of the scripture.

Now if you cant, or wont answer my questions directly, honestly and forthrightly (IOW, if you are in fact going to evade questions just like many people expect you to), then JUST SAY SO.

AT LEAST be honest enough of a christian to admit such if you are going to do such

Now, as I said previously....put up or shut up.

Personally, I dont think you can put up, because you'll paint yourself into a corner that you're not brave or forthright enough to defend.

SackLunch · Aug 19, 2005

corvus_corax said:
Actually, you are wrong
Your post didnt answer a single one of my questions.
NOT ONE

I'll post them again to see if you can actually be a straightforward, honest, forthright christian-
1- So, then, you are opposed to women teaching in church?
2- You believe in speaking in tongues and the handling of serpents?
3- You firmly believe that all Christian women should have long hair and that christian men should all have short hair?
(1)"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

(2)"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

(3)"Does not the very nature of things teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him, but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering. If anyone wants to be contentious about this, we have no other practice—nor do the churches of God."

Remember, no "interpretation" please. Plain reading, no eisegesis, no modern day cultural influence, no personal bias, and DEFINITELY no denominational influences are allowed.
The bible says it, you believe it, and that settles it, right?

'Fess up. Those women should keep quiet in church with their long hair, except when they're speaking in tongues or possibly handling snakes, right?

I mean, that's a straightforward non-interpretive reading of the scripture.

Now if you cant, or wont answer my questions directly, honestly and forthrightly (IOW, if you are in fact going to evade questions just like many people expect you to), then JUST SAY SO.

AT LEAST be honest enough of a christian to admit such if you are going to do such

Now, as I said previously....put up or shut up.

Personally, I dont think you can put up, because you'll paint yourself into a corner that you're not brave or forthright enough to defend.

Then you have condemned me already, and any possible explanation I have you will refute with vigor. The questions that you have asked are obviously intended to back me into a corner in matters of interpretation of Scripture.

I think you know the answers already. This is why I have simply presented you with the person of Jesus Christ, through whom by His love, grace, and forgiveness, we are saved. Christianity is not about a set of rules, which your questions reflected. Christianity is about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and having your eternal destiny in Heaven secured through believing in Him.

Nathan Poe · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
Then you have condemned me already, and any possible explanation I have you will refute with vigor. The questions that you have asked are obviously intended to back me into a corner in matters of interpretation of Scripture.

But according to you, there is no interpretation of Scripture -- just the one: God's.

So long as you think God's got your back, why are you so afraid of getting "backed into a corner"?

I think you know the answers already.

Humor us.

This is why I have simply presented you with the person of Jesus Christ, through whom by His love, grace, and forgiveness, we are saved. Christianity is not about a set of rules, which your questions reflected. Christianity is about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and having your eternal destiny in Heaven secured through believing in Him.

So the rest of the Bible is irrelevent. Fine by me.

ebia · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
Then you have condemned me already, and any possible explanation I have you will refute with vigor. The questions that you have asked are obviously intended to back me into a corner in matters of interpretation of Scripture.

The only reason he can back you into a corner, is because that's where everything you've said that has been on topic has lead you.

Either you need to back down on something you've said, or you end up in the corner. (By admitting that you've nowhere to go already, I guess you are already there.)

BTW, did you really mean to admit to Bibliolatry back then?

corvus_corax · Aug 19, 2005

SackLunch said:
Then you have condemned me already, and any possible explanation I have you will refute with vigor.

Quite wrong actually
I cant refute your interpretation of scripture, because it's YOURS. And that's what this whole thread is about, no?
Interpretation or non-interpretation

SackLunch said:
The questions that you have asked are obviously intended to back me into a corner in matters of interpretation of Scripture.

Well, if you're not going to stand up for what you believe, then WHY did you create this thread to begin with?
Did you actually expect to be able to post the OP without people presenting scriptures to you?
Cmon, back up your OP and tell us the answers to my questions. Tell us what those scriptures mean.
No interpretation allowed

SackLunch said:
I think you know the answers already.

I have NO idea what "the answers" would be coming from you
Unless of course, you actually DO take all scripture at face value and really do believe that women should have long hair and be silent in church, that one of the MANY ongoing signs is speaking in tongues and that another is handling poisonous snakes.
Do you believe this?
Dont get me wrong, if you say "Yes", Im not going to knock you for it. It's YOUR belief.

SackLunch said:
This is why I have simply presented you with the person of Jesus Christ, through whom by His love, grace, and forgiveness, we are saved.

You evaded my questions.
Pure and simple. Dont try to make it into something else.
On these forums, you're infamous for evading questions

SackLunch said:
Christianity is not about a set of rules, which your questions reflected.

No they didnt
ALL of those verses came from the New Testament. Y'know the very same Testament you are speaking about.

SackLunch said:
Christianity is about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and having your eternal destiny in Heaven secured through believing in Him.

And I understand that
HOWEVER, that is NOT the point of the OP.
You are trying to derail your OWN thread.
We are the ones who are (ironically) trying to keep it on track

Now are you going to back up your OP and show us how you supposedly DONT interpret scripture?
Are you going to answer my questions?

dad · Aug 19, 2005

corvus_corax said:
Unless of course, you actually DO take all scripture at face value and really do believe that women should have long hair and be silent in church, that one of the MANY ongoing signs is speaking in tongues and that another is handling poisonous snakes.
Do you believe this?

I think it is true, both of these are, or could be signs. Nowhere would I get the idea we are supposed to tempt fate, however, and stick out head near a rattlesnake, or something. Those who do, I'm afraid, have some provate interpretation. As for Paul's woman hangups, they are well known, and I think his point of view is a valid one. But didn't he say at times, 'this speak I, and not the Lord'? Nothing wrong with tongues either, or prophesy, or any of the gifts of the spirit. They are not private interpretation. They are just presents. I kind of like long hair, and quiet women. (Have to admit, I kind of like short hair too, and to a point, the more boisterous ones.)

BeamMeUpScotty · Aug 20, 2005

SackLunch said:
There have been several threads started recently regarding Scriptural interpretations. What does the Bible say about this matter? Does God allow for such "other interpretations?"

2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. All this talk of "well you have your own interpreatation" and "you worship the Bible" is simply not biblical. Reading the Bible and taking God for His word IS biblical, and clearly, it's what God tells us to do.

The Bible did not come about by man's words. The Bible is inspired by God. Furthermore, it is not open to interpretation or reinterpretation. It says what it says. God says what He says, whether we like it or not.

I haven't read most of this thread, but I'd like to ask which translation (i.e., interpretation) do you read and why?

nvxplorer · Aug 20, 2005

dad said:
But didn't [Paul] say at times, 'this speak I, and not the Lord'?

Interesting. Did God ever speak of original sin, or is that a Pauline doctrine? Perhaps not even a doctrine of Paul but an invention of Augustine?

dad · Aug 20, 2005

nvxplorer said:
Interesting. Did God ever speak of original sin, or is that a Pauline doctrine? Perhaps not even a doctrine of Paul but an invention of Augustine?

Only time I ever heard that one was in a catholic school. But I think it is a sound concept. Adam and Eve sinned, and all men are born sinners since. What is your problem?

LittleLambofJesus · Apr 15, 2012

SackLunch said:
There have been several threads started recently regarding Scriptural interpretations. What does the Bible say about this matter? Does God allow for such "other interpretations?"

2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. All this talk of "well you have your own interpreatation" and "you worship the Bible" is simply not biblical. Reading the Bible and taking God for His word IS biblical, and clearly, it's what God tells us to do.

The Bible did not come about by man's words. The Bible is inspired by God. Furthermore, it is not open to interpretation or reinterpretation. It says what it says. God says what He says, whether we like it or not.

Interesting thread!
Subscribing

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y2suh · Jul 28, 2013

Battie said:
If the author is still alive today, sometimes we can just ask them what they meant. But none of the authors of the Bible are alive. We cannot get inside their heads. The best we can do is look the clues left behind by their cultures to find how it would apply to them and to us today. That's why we come up with different ideas. We're not all detectives and we might not know exactly how to read the clues.

That is the best we can do, and that is an honest way to interpret. .

When you say that none of the authors of the Bible are alive,
you must meant that the Bible is of human origin, which is definitely against what Peter said in the Bible.

If the Book of Peter is of human origin, Peter that is, it means that is his own opinions, which is no better than yours or mine in terms of characteristics of relative human nature.

I am sorry that you take the Bible like that and, since all the authors of the Bible are dead and gone, you have no one to ask or no way to know what the author meant or intended originally, so that you've got to do your best to understand what a Bible verse mean for you.

I heard the Bible is written by human authors but they are inspired by God the Spirit, meaning God Himself is the very author of the Bible.

If that is true, then, even though men wrote the Bible, you should ask God for the true meaning of any Bible verses, I believe.

If you remember of mind reading mentioned in Corinthian, even though you can read any writings written by men and think you can read the mind of an author of any book by interpreting on your own, You should admit you can't actually read the mind of the author because you are actually reading your own mind interpreting their words.

The same exact thing happens when you read the word of God.
You think you can read His mind through His words, but the Bible says
you just can't read the mind of God just as you can't read minds of fella human beings living next to you on earth, unlike God whose dwelling is far above and whose thoughts are not like ours on earth.

Only God the Spirit CAN read the mind of God and He alone CAN convey the correct true reading to us only because He dwells in us.

So, if you don't ask God for interpretation, you will ends up having your own interpretations, nothing more or less.

This my opinion, and if it is not in line with what the Bible says in First Corinthians 2:11, mine is no better than yours, thus, worthless.

Do I know Him?

y2suh · Jul 28, 2013

SackLunch said:
There have been several threads started recently regarding Scriptural interpretations. What does the Bible say about this matter? Does God allow for such "other interpretations?"

2 Peter 1:19-21
"We also have a more sure word of prophecy...knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

So clearly Scripture tells us that there is no private interpretation of the Bible. All this talk of "well you have your own interpreatation" and "you worship the Bible" is simply not biblical. Reading the Bible and taking God for His word IS biblical, and clearly, it's what God tells us to do.

I agree with you, but the problem is that when we read the Bible, we can't avoid interpreting the Bible on our own, which is no doubt personal interpretation and can no doubt be different from other fella Christians of different backgrounds in nature.

However, if you add another Bible verse to interpret the Bible verse in question, you can solve the difficult issue of interpretation easily, I think.

The Bible verse I have in mind is 1 Corinthians 2:11, which is about mind reading.

Mind reading?

Yes, when we read a writing, we are actually reading a written form of mind from an author. So is the Bible, a written form of the mind of God.

Someone said,

"If you cant read my mind and I cant read yours, could we possibly expect to read Gods mind? The Bible says in 1 Corinthians 2:11, Who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the mans spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. God can read our minds, but we cant read Gods mind. Of ourselves, we have no way of knowing Gods thoughts. Only the Spirit of God knows what God is thinking."
source; Reading God’s Mind - The Back To God Hour®

Only God the Spirit can read the mind of God and relay a piece of His mind to us whose heart is indwelling place of God the Spirit.

God the Spirit alone can interpret the Bible correctly and we can get the true meanings from Him by asking, just like He said, "Ask."

Do I know Him?

Justatruthseeker · Jul 28, 2013

Well the Bible does tell me that the invisible things of God can be discerned through a study of the things made so that men have no excuse. Since all things are made of atoms which is bound by energy and God's power is known by this and works thru all and is in all, I'd say just research the atom and what binds it if you want to try to understand what God is. I expect the day science can tell me what energy is, is the day I'll be able to explain God to you. But the best you'll get from science right now is that it is "work". And God's "works" are just marvelous are they not!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

In physics, energy is a conserved extensive property of a physical system, which cannot be observed directly but can be calculated from its state. Energy is of central importance in physics. It is impossible to give a comprehensive definition of energy because of the many forms it may take, but the most common definition is that it is the capacity of a system to perform work.

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