Let's not hijack this thread and turn it into a "Bush bashing". The OP started this thread to discuss the remarks made by Lt Gen William "Jerry" Boykin.
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God put Bush in charge
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God put hitler in charge too. That doesn't make it wrong to try and remove him from power....
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We're merely contradicting that General.MissKitty62656 said:
And I believe you supported his statements, so it's up to the loyal opposition to refute.
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The General was right in his statement that we "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but the principalities of the air". We must fight on our knees...
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh.
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
2 Corinthians 10:3-5
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh.
For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ."
2 Corinthians 10:3-5
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Riiiiight.
Relevance?
See, the handy thing about having my own Bible is I can check what it is you're posting for context.
Relevance?
See, the handy thing about having my own Bible is I can check what it is you're posting for context.
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To quote out of context is bad enough, but to quote the bible out of context to prove your point? Here, for those who are interested, is 2 Corinthians 10:1-6, which puts it in context.MissKitty62656 said:
What a good justification for NOT going to war in Iraq. Look at line 6: You can punish acts of disobedience once your obedience is complete? How much more relevent to Iraq and the US can you get. We have chemical weapons, so do they. We used them in conflict (Vietnam) so did they. They didn't have them any more, we did. What a biblically justified war, not.
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I did not take anything out of context. I quoted it just like my Bible said it. And the relevance is that the General said we were in spiritual warfare and we are. I was just using the verses to show what God had to say about it...
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Well yeah, he said that we needed to physically fight the minions of Satan, when God described, in that verse, exactly how we are supposed to wage a physical battle.MissKitty62656 said:
That seems clear to me. We do not wage war as the world does, with weapons, but with words.
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He is a raving lunatic...and hired by bush no less...this world needs to be saved by god asap...becouse people today have lost all hope in the brain department...
In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.
In January, he told Baptists in Florida about a victory over a Muslim warlord in Somalia, who had boasted that Allah would protect him from American capture. "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real god and his was an idol," Gen Boykin said.
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excuse me but yes you did , They are Millions of verse in the bible and we can't base ourselves on that , we must first look at the context of the chapters not just 1 or 2 verses , why not read the rest of the chapters from the beginning to the end ?MissKitty62656 said:
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All they asked was that we should continue to remember the poor, the very thing I was eager to do.
- Galatians 2:10
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I have read the entire Bible many times. I did not think it expedient for me to quote every chapter and verse since you have a Bible of your own.
Why does that make him a raving lunatic? His God IS bigger than allah! It's the same thing that David said to his brothers about Goliath and the Phillistines! Was David also a raving lunatic?
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True , he is basically taking God place (He's like taking for him) .because he want the religious to follow him in his "saint war. I'm aware of charismatic leader , and I won't let someone put stuff in my head like that.Bushido216 said:
He want to control the religious to be with him , it's simple. He want a reason to prove that it is a good war because it is between Allah and God and then not have too much religious group who say to not do war. He want to "calm" them down and just saying that this war will be good ect .... , but do he really talk about the outcome ? No.
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So true aragorn. By the way the president is acting like this to be reelect this year. He want religious people to follow him , so he send one guy to make them follow his idea. It is clear it is all plan to get vote this year.aragorn said:
It's my opinion , it's maybe false but if you think about it a a great possibility because the election is not that far from now. He probably know that this War will take more time then anticipated and he want to finish him HIMSELF , people it seem clear to me
Anyway , like aragorn says , Satan has always pretended to be God by acting in his name
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Exemplary.
"What Bush did was wrong; he bumbled. He should not have bumbled."
"Oh. So, what should he have done? The choices are, nothing, and a better something. Choose one, but, if a better 'something,' then define it."
"Not bumble."
"Yes, we get that. What does that mean."
"Why, get the International Community to Do Something, through nothing more then the sweet smell of endless words on East 44th Street."
"But, we're really not a Hegemon; we have no such power over the so called International Community, the same one that let us swing in the wind in Somalia when our backs were to the wall, the same one that let Rwanda bleed, the same one that had it$ own intere$t$ in maintaining the $tatus-quo in Iraq. All of that aside, you still have not answered the question; assuming it was possible to actually 'get the IC to do soemthing, WHAT would that have been?"
"Why, express condemnation. Impose sanctions. Frown alot. Send a dozen fat asses in white Jeeps and blue caps, very Martha Stewart, scooting through the Iraqi towns in circus caravans, then film them cowering in the front seat while a desperate, crazed Iraqi tries to deliver notebooks full of evidence clutched in his arms, and is instead intercepted and hauled away by goon thugs, so that someday, politicos could smirkingly sneer out, 'Huh! Some arsenal.'
You know, peaceful means."
"For how long?"
"For as long as it takes."
"And, that is not the same as "doing nothing?"
"No, that is doing the something that would eventually work, aka, the right way, the non bumbling way, the way that would have the rest of the world admiring us and loving us and not wishing us ill and not snickeringly cheering/dancing in the streets when they run their little **** for brains Schadenfreud calculators, and not having their $elf intere$t$ in the $tatu$ quo in Iraq, and so on."
No, seriously, I know you are quite serious when you point out that Bush&Co have bumbled, that they did the wrong thing, that this was the wrong way to either do or not do something.
And, I am quite serious when I point out that the alternatives are never very well defined, except in an almost cartoon like Arnold manner...
"Economy: We need MORE jobs, not less jobs. My policy would be to have MORE jobs, and stuff like that there, and so on..."
"Peace: We need MORE Peace, not less Peace. My policy would be to have MORE Peace, and stuff like that there, and so on..."
"Crime: We need LESS Crime, not more Crime. My policy would be to have LESS Crime, and stuff like that there, and so on..."
"Iraq: We need to not have commiteed 40% of our forces to IRAQ. That is a bumble. My solution would be to NOT have committed 40% of our forces to Iraq, and stuff like there, and so on..."
"Middle East: We need a SOLUTION, not more bumbling. My policy would be to have a SOLUTION, and not bumble, and stuff like that, and so on..."
Ok, Ok, we get it; "Bush has bumbled." So, critics, anyone...show us the light, not just the heat.
"What Bush did was wrong; he bumbled. He should not have bumbled."
"Oh. So, what should he have done? The choices are, nothing, and a better something. Choose one, but, if a better 'something,' then define it."
"Not bumble."
"Yes, we get that. What does that mean."
"Why, get the International Community to Do Something, through nothing more then the sweet smell of endless words on East 44th Street."
"But, we're really not a Hegemon; we have no such power over the so called International Community, the same one that let us swing in the wind in Somalia when our backs were to the wall, the same one that let Rwanda bleed, the same one that had it$ own intere$t$ in maintaining the $tatus-quo in Iraq. All of that aside, you still have not answered the question; assuming it was possible to actually 'get the IC to do soemthing, WHAT would that have been?"
"Why, express condemnation. Impose sanctions. Frown alot. Send a dozen fat asses in white Jeeps and blue caps, very Martha Stewart, scooting through the Iraqi towns in circus caravans, then film them cowering in the front seat while a desperate, crazed Iraqi tries to deliver notebooks full of evidence clutched in his arms, and is instead intercepted and hauled away by goon thugs, so that someday, politicos could smirkingly sneer out, 'Huh! Some arsenal.'
You know, peaceful means."
"For how long?"
"For as long as it takes."
"And, that is not the same as "doing nothing?"
"No, that is doing the something that would eventually work, aka, the right way, the non bumbling way, the way that would have the rest of the world admiring us and loving us and not wishing us ill and not snickeringly cheering/dancing in the streets when they run their little **** for brains Schadenfreud calculators, and not having their $elf intere$t$ in the $tatu$ quo in Iraq, and so on."
No, seriously, I know you are quite serious when you point out that Bush&Co have bumbled, that they did the wrong thing, that this was the wrong way to either do or not do something.
And, I am quite serious when I point out that the alternatives are never very well defined, except in an almost cartoon like Arnold manner...
"Economy: We need MORE jobs, not less jobs. My policy would be to have MORE jobs, and stuff like that there, and so on..."
"Peace: We need MORE Peace, not less Peace. My policy would be to have MORE Peace, and stuff like that there, and so on..."
"Crime: We need LESS Crime, not more Crime. My policy would be to have LESS Crime, and stuff like that there, and so on..."
"Iraq: We need to not have commiteed 40% of our forces to IRAQ. That is a bumble. My solution would be to NOT have committed 40% of our forces to Iraq, and stuff like there, and so on..."
"Middle East: We need a SOLUTION, not more bumbling. My policy would be to have a SOLUTION, and not bumble, and stuff like that, and so on..."
Ok, Ok, we get it; "Bush has bumbled." So, critics, anyone...show us the light, not just the heat.
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