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God Proven to Exist According to Mainstream Physics

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Finally! Now I can sue Omega point for crimes against humanity, ecological disasters, and mass extinctions! :clap::cool:

I would not go there if I were you!

The very first thing that I would do would be to FORGIVE fundamental energy Mom and Dad for whatever pain or inconvenience has came upon you due to their attempts to invent other forms of life.

Dr. Michael Yeager may have seen what type of neighborhood God the Father and God the Mother (who may well be identifiable with The Holy Spirit of Christian fame), grew up in. I assume the worms might be SuperSTrings as perceived by Dr. Yeager's soul/spirit/higher dimensional hard drive device:


Dogmatic Atheists Lack Mathematical Aptitude.: Did God Evolve?


A VISION of HELL Gehenna - HADES - SHEOL. It is Eternal Torment!

Dr. Michael Yeager, on the verge of suicide and with a knife to his wrist a fear hit him which he now recognizes as the fear of God. He dropped his knife and went to his knees and asked the Lord to forgive him of his sins and he gave his life to the Lord.

He was immediately freed from all addictions and was given a desire to tell others about Jesus. What stuck out to me the most is that he said that selfishness is the beginning of being on the pathway to hell. He mentions things like being obsessed with TV watching, sports and anything else we love more than God, as very dangerous and can place us on the wrong path.

One night when in prayer he received a vision of hell and the floor of his room opened up he kept falling down and down in a deep dark hole for miles and miles. It was very real and he could see, touch, smell, feel everything. Fear was filling his whole being.

A wind was blowing from this hole that seemed to be bottomless and the odor was so strong it was sickening. By looking between his feet he could see a distant orange glow. As he approached this orange glow it became bigger and bigger and he then entered a cavern and he was over a huge area of what looked like lava sending flames hundreds of feet into the air. Earth shattering explosions could also be heard. He knew he was still about 10,000 feet above this burning sea and even at that distance the heat was almost too much to bear and it felt like his skin was actually burning off.

The smell was so nauseating that it made him cough and gasp for air but there was none. His ears than began to be filled with a very eerie sound that sounded like humming. This sound was constant and got louder and louder as he approached the lava. God opened his understanding as to what the sound was. The sound was actually human beings screaming in unbelievable agony. He realized that God was showing him a vision of hell.

At about 200 feet above this lake of lava, fire and brimstone, the pain got almost too much to bear. He then saw some objects bobbing up and down in this burning sea of what looked like lava. There were tens of thousands of these objects. These objects were actually human beings bobbing up and down and back and forth. These people were weeping and wailing in extreme agony.

No relief from pain was available to them. Their bodies were burned black in this sea of fire and brimstone. Suddenly he plunged into the lava and it covered him and filled his eyes, nose throat, lungs etc. His eyes felt like they were being consumed out of their sockets and could barely breathe. He finds it difficult to explain the amount of pain he was experiencing. He also knew hell was eternal and no chance of getting out.

He was shown that selfishness is the gateway to hell. Excruciating pain overtook him fully as he was submerged in this sea of fire and brimstone that looked like lava. As he was sucked down into this sea he was in total darkness with no light at all. He was suffocating and could not take a breath but yet he was not dying. When he returned to the surface he realized that he was till intact and his five senses were very much alive.

There were other creatures in the sea of fire that looked like huge worms. They would come to the surface and then disappear and then return to the surface. About 20 feet from him he saw them coming to the surface and they were coming towards him. When they reached him they began boring into him and went inside his body and brain and were coming out of his eyes. They were driving him insane. (where the worm dieth not) There is no end to these things in hell. They are eternal. There is no place to go for any relief. There is no love there. It is totally void of love. An emptiness beyond comprehension enveloped him. .....
 
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I would not go there if I were you!

The very first thing that I would do would be to FORGIVE fundamental energy Mom and Dad for whatever pain or inconvenience has came upon you due to their attempts to invent other forms of life.
Tell that to my lawyer ^_^^_^^_^
 
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If you will do a search for Dr. Chet Snow you will find what within fifty years may turn out to be replicable, verifiable, anecdotal evidence.....(true, not proof, just evidence), that the past exists and has been recorded and can be energized at any time by God....which would mean fully replicated including all of us. Then another branch of time can be spun off that can be vastly and astonishingly better than what happened previously....in a time period that looks for all the world like the future????!!!!

Do a search for Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman and his writings on time to read more about this....but my point is that what you and I decide to do today....does not merely affect the rest of our life...this life....but will also affect each and every replication of this time period...no matter how many times God does an Ezekiel 37 on what we think of as 2012 or 2013 or 2014???!!!!

After His experiences with Lucifer.....NOBODY....AND I MEAN NOBODY.....makes it into the higher dimensional paradise devoid of humility and some thankfulness to fundamental energy Dad and Mom! For our own sake and of everybody around us....no matter how high our IQ is.....we had better leave Messiah and God the Father on Their Thrones.....and we may as well admit that no matter how tough our old neighborhood may have been.....planning and orchestrating those first two or thee thousand Big Bang experimental events was tough beyond our ability to even begin to imagine!!!!
 
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Tell that to my lawyer ^_^^_^^_^

Yes, you probably should....because it seems obvious from the NDE of Dr. Richard Eby that God the Father and God the Mother are never again going to have a Lucifer....prideful and legalistic....Haman type of person in any high and exalted place in heaven!!!!!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/
Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!



Dr. Richard Eby

Jesus paused again.

"My book tells of the time when Lucifer's rebellion in heaven changed some things. He sought to usurp my Father's throne, assume his position as the most high God, and to rule the universe. For that blasphemy Lucifer was cast from heaven to Earth; in fact, I saw him fall as a bolt of lightning! In a tantrum of hate and rage over being deposed so fast he and his fallen angels disfigured our perfect Earth. It became void and uninhabitable. For punishment befitting his enemy of God, Lucifer was given a new name, Satan, since he was the self-appointed �adversary' of the Almighty. Anything that God had made, Satan would attempt to destroy from then on. As Lucifer he had been created the highest angel about the throne, one of his assignments and talents being the chief musician in charge of worship and music. In his rebellious anger he set about destroying harmony on and in the Earth from then on. That is why the Earth where he operates now is out of harmony with God's other creations. In my book we call this disharmony �sin', because it defies God's will that even the heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament show his handiwork.
 
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Yes, you probably should....because it seems obvious from the NDE of Dr. Richard Eby that God the Father and God the Mother are never again going to have a Lucifer....prideful and legalistic....Haman type of person in any high and exalted place in heaven!!!!!


http://www.christianforums.com/t7647325/
Yom Kippur/The Rapture connection?!



Dr. Richard Eby
Yes and Elvis lives on the moon and Nibiru came and destroyed the world the day before yesterday and Jesus spoke English and.... Oh why do I even bother :doh:
 
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So after reading through the posts up to this point, I have come to the conclusion that no one here has yet to build a good case against the OPs arguments regarding Tipler's work. Now of course we all know that the current absence of a good counter-argument does not necessarily mean the theory has been proven true, but if it is such bunk as many atheists here no doubt believe it is, then why has no one presented a logical, well thought out, sincere response to Tipler's work?
 
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So after reading through the posts up to this point, I have come to the conclusion that no one here has yet to build a good case against the OPs arguments regarding Tipler's work. Now of course we all know that the current absence of a good counter-argument does not necessarily mean the theory has been proven true, but if it is such bunk as many atheists here no doubt believe it is, then why has no one presented a logical, well thought out, sincere response to Tipler's work?

as I've pointed out in my first post, what I know about Tipler's work idea sufficient for me to disregard it as any kind of proof. but if you know better, you're welcome to correct me.
 
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So after reading through the posts up to this point, I have come to the conclusion that no one here has yet to build a good case against the OPs arguments regarding Tipler's work. Now of course we all know that the current absence of a good counter-argument does not necessarily mean the theory has been proven true, but if it is such bunk as many atheists here no doubt believe it is, then why has no one presented a logical, well thought out, sincere response to Tipler's work?
If I were to present to you equivalent work purporting to prove that the Earth is hollow and people live in its core and fly out with saucers at the North pole; Should I expect you to come up with a serious counter argument?

For all I care Tipler's work is no different to all the crackpot pseudoscientific claims abound!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNUs1OZAY0
 
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So after reading through the posts up to this point, I have come to the conclusion that no one here has yet to build a good case against the OPs arguments regarding Tipler's work. Now of course we all know that the current absence of a good counter-argument does not necessarily mean the theory has been proven true, but if it is such bunk as many atheists here no doubt believe it is, then why has no one presented a logical, well thought out, sincere response to Tipler's work?

Because this "work" is neither logical or well thought out. Inserting randomly chosen physics jargon and formatting text like a paper doesn't make it any more true.

Tipler has been responded to, many, many times more than the idea deserves. Some fringe ideas are at least interesting fringe ideas, this guy and the likes of Ruggero Santilli are just too dull to even bother with, and Tipler is a pretty sad example of how someone can be brilliant and subsequently...not so much. The spelling mistakes and random CAPITALS are a good red flag to watch out for.
 
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as I've pointed out in my first post, what I know about Tipler's work idea sufficient for me to disregard it as any kind of proof. but if you know better, you're welcome to correct me.

Hmm....

Well since Tipler is no doubt more knowledgeable on the subject.....

I will tend to give his view slightly more credence than yours.
 
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If I were to present to you equivalent work purporting to prove that the Earth is hollow and people live in its core and fly out with saucers at the North pole; Should I expect you to come up with a serious counter argument?

For all I care Tipler's work is no different to all the crackpot pseudoscientific claims abound!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuNUs1OZAY0

Isn't this the crackpot calling the kettle black?

Sorry.... I simply couldn't resist! Lol!
 
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I find it hysterical, that while I'm lurking on these physical/life science threads, I keep seeing the same silly points again and again. A christian posts a relevant scientific argument, and the atheists/agnostics/etc, come out of the woodwork with ad homs galore, or a simple I'm too busy to actually look at what you've posted! ^____^ yet in the same breath denounce the evidence as coming from some crackpot, and attacking the source rather than bothering to refute the science! C'mon guys! If its all nonsense from a crackpot, then it should be easy to dump like trash right? So let's get on with the sciencey stuff and drop the insult attacks! If I wanted to see insults, I'd turn on an old Don Rickles or George Carlin video! I came to this forum to see science!
 
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I find it hysterical, that while I'm lurking on these physical/life science threads, I keep seeing the same silly points again and again. A christian posts a relevant scientific argument, and the atheists/agnostics/etc, come out of the woodwork with ad homs galore, or a simple I'm too busy to actually look at what you've posted! ^____^ yet in the same breath denounce the evidence as coming from some crackpot, and attacking the source rather than bothering to refute the science! C'mon guys! If its all nonsense from a crackpot, then it should be easy to dump like trash right? So let's get on with the sciencey stuff and drop the insult attacks! If I wanted to see insults, I'd turn on an old Don Rickles or George Carlin video! I came to this forum to see science!
Easy; Speed of light limit does not allow for zero point to be an all encompassing intelligence. To put it simply it will take too long for one part of the universe to know what the other part is doing and thus decision making will be impossible.

Need I say more? No matter how hard you wish for science to come to the rescue and prove your deity to be real; It will never happen. CRACKPOT is the most apt word for such nonsense! Oh by the way Elvis lives on the moon! :wave:
 
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I find it hysterical, that while I'm lurking on these physical/life science threads, I keep seeing the same silly points again and again. A christian posts a relevant scientific argument, and the atheists/agnostics/etc, come out of the woodwork with ad homs galore, or a simple I'm too busy to actually look at what you've posted! ^____^ yet in the same breath denounce the evidence as coming from some crackpot, and attacking the source rather than bothering to refute the science! C'mon guys! If its all nonsense from a crackpot, then it should be easy to dump like trash right? So let's get on with the sciencey stuff and drop the insult attacks! If I wanted to see insults, I'd turn on an old Don Rickles or George Carlin video! I came to this forum to see science!

Every reference I can find to Tipler in serious scientific publications denounce his recent (last 20 years or so) work as unscientific, and most are far more scathing than that.

If someone were to prove the afterlife in a scientific way they would gain massive fame, wealth, a highly presitigous scientific job and a nobel prize.

If you want to disprove it then here goes. Tipler makes the following assumptions in his theory (I haven't listed all of them):


Sentient life must eventually engulf the entire universe and control it;

The amount of information processed between now and the Omega Point is infinite;

The amount of information stored in the universe asymptotically goes to infinity as the Omega Point is approached.

Can you honestly say that these 3 assumptions are valid?
 
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Elioenai26

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I find it hysterical, that while I'm lurking on these physical/life science threads, I keep seeing the same silly points again and again. A christian posts a relevant scientific argument, and the atheists/agnostics/etc, come out of the woodwork with ad homs galore, or a simple I'm too busy to actually look at what you've posted! ^____^ yet in the same breath denounce the evidence as coming from some crackpot, and attacking the source rather than bothering to refute the science! C'mon guys! If its all nonsense from a crackpot, then it should be easy to dump like trash right? So let's get on with the sciencey stuff and drop the insult attacks! If I wanted to see insults, I'd turn on an old Don Rickles or George Carlin video! I came to this forum to see science!

Haha, im right there with ya on this one!:thumbsup:
 
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Hmm....

Well since Tipler is no doubt more knowledgeable on the subject.....

I will tend to give his view slightly more credence than yours.

What do you think of his argument, where "the resurrection of Jesus occurred when the atoms in his body spontaneously decayed into neutrinos and antineutrinos, which later converted back into atoms to reconstitute him."? The Physics of Christianity
 
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